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School shooting - at least 5 dead

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by bigtexxx, Jan 22, 2016.

  1. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Contributing Member
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    Nice try but you are no troll. Just a very ignorant and pathetic human being.
     
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    It's something I've been saying for years, perhaps pay more attention.

    It's clear you missed the point and you can compare yourself to whomever you want, but when you are comparing apples to oranges, you aren't going to get valid results. If you compare a country with a culture of violence to one that doesn't have that, you won't gain anything valuable from that comparison. The original thing I was responding to was someone saying that there is a link between number of guns and gun violence so I proved this wrong by posing the intentional homicide rate of the country with the 8th most guns per 100 residents....Norway. They have one of the lowest homicide rates on the planet despite being top 10 in most guns. Why is their homicide rate so much lower than countries with MANY fewer guns per 100 residents? Why doesn't the presence of guns cause their murder rate to rise if it's the guns that cause it? Of course the answer is that the guns don't cause it. Hopefully you followed along.
     
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    Apples and oranges?

    I think most would agree culturally, the UK and Australia are very similar to the United States.

    Culturally, we are probably more similar to the UK and Australia than Norway and other Scandinavian countries by the way.

    Do you actually believe culturally we are more similar to countries like El Salvador and Somolia? Give me a break.

    "Culture" differences are a weak ass argument.

    But even if we take your premise that "culturally we are more violent", why is that so?

    Culturally we are similar to the UK and Australia, why do we have more violence? Do they not have poverty or "ghettos"?

    It's also a bit of a chicken or the egg situation. Could it be the glorification and accessibility to guns contributed to that environment?

    When someone gets pissed off, their cultural reaction is resorting to guns. Its because of culture! CULTURE!

    Or are you arguing there is no "gun culture" in the United States. Does "gun culture" happen in isolation from the rest of "culture".

    "Culture" doesn't happen in isolation. Everything is intersected. Also culture is dynamic, always changing, even if slow.

    So what's your explanation for a more violent "culture" in the United States? Movies? Video games? Mental illness? Does the United States have access to different Hollywood movies, video games than other countries? We also have the highest concentration of mental illness in the world?

    So let's see what happens to "culture" when you apply a change to one of the variables.

    Let me show you some facts on Australia.

    https://www.vox.com/2015/8/27/9212725/australia-buyback
    I'm actually a gun owner. But this country has gun problems.
     
  4. Bobbythegreat

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    Not if they knew what they were talking about. The US is far more diverse than either of those countries and the US has a more violent culture than either of those two countries.

    No, and that wasn't the argument, I wasn't comparing the US to any of those countries, I was pointing out that the difference in homicide rate between the countries had more to do with culture than it did the number of guns present in the country....you know, because that's clearly the case.

    I'm sure there are many reasons for it.

    We're not culturally similar to those countries. In fact, here's 100 years of data showing that when it comes to homicide, the US and England have VERY different cultures.

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    Just for fun, here's 60 years of data on several different countries including Australia

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    Notice how all of the rest are pretty much the same despite having wildly different numbers of guns in those countries? I wonder what the difference could be?

    Glorification, yes, accessibility, no. If accessibility was an important factor than Norway, the country with the 8th most guns per 100 residents in the world, would have a MUCH higher homicide rate than they do.....given that they have one of the lowest homicide rates in the world.

    There's many factors that go into it and there's many subcultures within America, some more violent than others. All of those subcultures have different influences.

    If you check the 60 years of data I posted above, you'd see that Australia is a country that never really had a problem with homicide, they had something bad happen, they reacted by enacting harsh gun laws and they still don't have a problem with homicide. At their absolute worst, things in Australia weren't as bad as they were in America at....well any point ever. The two countries just have nothing in common whatsoever when it comes to violence.
     
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    He looks exactly like a Madame Tussauds' mannequin in that pic.

    The guy cannot help but be creepy. It's his superpower.
     
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    Maybe it is time to change the culture. Start by getting rid of the semiautomatic guns.
     
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    On taking this shooting opportunity to both attack the FBI and to defend his crookiness, Trump is a bit slow this time. Both @Commodore and @Space Ghost beat him to it.
     
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    Careful... you'll get called an authoritarian!!

    Maybe, just maybe, the second amendment is useless... especially because its about a militia...
     
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    Well, 2 things.

    1. History has taught us that in America, you don't get culture change from prohibition. If anything, you merely popularize what you prohibit and create a black market for it.

    2. You'd never get support for that, so you'd just be wasting your time that could be spent attempting more productive change that you could actually get support for.
     
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    Hard hitting take right here, folks.

    He looks creepy! Great logic.
     
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    No question that Trump needs to keep his mouth shut.

    HOWEVER, I love how the FBI is such a noble organization all of a sudden. Where was this sentiment from the left when Comey reopened the Hillary investigation?

    Sen. Dianne Feinstein, Vice Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, took perhaps the strongest shot at Comey: "The FBI has a history of extreme caution near Election Day so as not to influence the results. Today’s break from that tradition is appalling."

    Boo hoo hoo

    Here's the bottom line... Neither side cares about the rules anymore. It is win at all costs and it will only get worse.
     
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    The difference is that the Democrats said it was a mistake. Trump claims that the FBI is corrupt, biased, and disrespects their professionalism.
     
  17. Bobbythegreat

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    Well, the people at the top of the FBI showed evidence of being corrupt, biased, and unprofessional.....so given that, why wouldn't those at the top be criticized for that?
     
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    Whatever dude.... they acted all nice until the election was over. Then they put Comey in a room and put him and the FBI on blast.

    “The FBI director has no credibility,” said Rep. Maxine Waters of California

    Senator Ron Wyden, an Oregon Democrat on the intelligence committee, said: “The continued leadership failures at the FBI are another reminder we can’t let intelligence agencies say ‘trust us’ and then give them a blank check to probe into Americans’ lives.

    “While I’ve argued for years that Congress must create ironclad protections for Americans’ security and privacy, we also need vigilant oversight of agencies that have the power to deprive citizens of their liberty or change the course of an election.”
     
  19. Astrodome

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    The FBI has no blame in this. You can't follow up on all tips.

    Trump is the true mastermind behind all shootings past and present. And guns too.

    Liberal logic.
     
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    Perhaps an agent and a higher level person at the FBI had questionable professionalism. They were immediately removed.
     

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