1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Why I am More Excited to Vote for Obama Than Before

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by glynch, Sep 15, 2012.

Tags:
Page 1 of 4
  1. glynch

    glynch Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2000
    Messages:
    17,790
    Likes Received:
    3,395
    As many of you know I have critiized Obama a lot for not being bold enough or for a lot of his stands on war and peace and civil liberties. However after watching the Democrtic Convention I realize that the party is more than just Obama. I was very impressed by some of the minor speakers-- many of whom just appeared on C-Span, such as the Catholic nun who spoke, Christina the Cuban American "Oprah", Elizabeth Warren, one of the union guys etc. The Democratic Party is where the action is for progressives.

    ****
    Below is an excerpt from a piece by Tom Hayden that I find very convincing about why white progresives who feel disappointmented about Obama should join the game and vote for Obama.


    The threat of a Romney-Ryan regime should be enough to convince a narrow American majority to vote for Barack Obama, including the disappointed rank-and-file of social movements. A widening of economic and racial inequality. Cuts in Medicare and Medicad. More global warming and extreme weather. Strangling of reproductive rights. Unaffordable tuition. The Neo-cons back in the saddle. Two or three more right-wing Supreme Court appointments to come. Romney as Trojan horse for Ryan the stalking horse and future presidential candidate.

    The consolidation of right-wing power would put progressives on the defensive, shrinking any organizing space for pressuring for greater innovations in an Obama second term. Where, for example, would progressives be without the Voting Rights Act programs such as Planned Parenthood, or officials like Labor Secretary Hilda Solis or EPA administrator Lisa Jackson?

    But the positive case for More Obama and Better Obama should be made as well. History will show that the first term was better than most progressives now think. A second-term voter mandate against wasteful wars, Wall Street extravagance, and austerity for the many, led by elected officials including Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, Barbara Lee, Raul Grijalva, Jim McGovern and Keith Ellison, would be, in the language of the Pentagon, a target-rich field of opportunities.

    Why Obama’s achievements are dismissed or denied by many on the white liberal-left is a question worth serious consideration. It may only be a matter of legitimate disappointment after the utopian expectations of 2008

    http://tomhayden.com/home/saving-obama-saving-ourselves.html
     
    #1 glynch, Sep 15, 2012
  2. mc mark

    mc mark Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 1999
    Messages:
    26,195
    Likes Received:
    468
    Hopefully a couple more liberal SC justices.

    That alone should be enough.
     
    #2 mc mark, Sep 15, 2012
  3. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,421
    Likes Received:
    15,860
    Barring the unexpected, or a long 12-16 year run by one party that forces the issue, I don't see much changing in the SC. The Justices are smart enough to retire when their own party is in charge, so I don't expect to see any conservative justices retiring during an Obama adminstration.
     
    #3 Major, Sep 15, 2012
  4. Sweet Lou 4 2

    Sweet Lou 4 2 Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2007
    Messages:
    37,717
    Likes Received:
    18,918
    If Obama wins now, and Hillary takes 2016 - that's a 12 year run right there.
     
    #4 Sweet Lou 4 2, Sep 15, 2012
  5. Major

    Major Member

    Joined:
    Jun 28, 1999
    Messages:
    41,421
    Likes Received:
    15,860
    Certainly - and it would be interesting to see what happened there. There are only really 2 old justices on either side, and I'm pretty sure Scalia will do everything in his power to survive until a Republican is in office. Not sure as much about Kennedy.
     
    #5 Major, Sep 15, 2012
  6. cheke64

    cheke64 Member

    Joined:
    May 12, 2009
    Messages:
    23,688
    Likes Received:
    15,049
    Vote for him or expect another war with libya come Romney time.
     
    #6 cheke64, Sep 15, 2012
  7. Invisible Fan

    Invisible Fan Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2001
    Messages:
    43,384
    Likes Received:
    25,389
    It's up to those liberal chefs to put some extra butter into Scalia's cannoli.


    ...Because he's as fat as Rush.


    ...And he doesn't look like he exercises anything except his mouth.
     
    #7 Invisible Fan, Sep 15, 2012
  8. RedRedemption

    RedRedemption Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    32,471
    Likes Received:
    7,652
    Not only that, but it would be two historic presidencies in a row.
    First black president followed immediately thereafter by the first female president.
     
    #8 RedRedemption, Sep 15, 2012
  9. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,925
    Likes Received:
    2,265
    he's half white half black brah

    at least in 2008 Obama could run with his message of hope and change

    now that we've seen his results, errr......
     
    #9 bigtexxx, Sep 15, 2012
  10. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2008
    Messages:
    18,378
    Likes Received:
    18,401
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the sense from glynch's post that Hillary would be a dissapointed if she is next in line.

    Hillary appears to be the only person I can think of from my limited knowledge who is further right than Obama among the dems. This seems to be a losing battle, granted its a slower loss than electing Romney.
     
    #10 Mathloom, Sep 15, 2012
  11. ILoveTheRockets

    ILoveTheRockets Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2008
    Messages:
    2,047
    Likes Received:
    62
    Obama is flat out a disgrace.

    <iframe style="border: none" src="http://larouchepac.com/jvideo/23810?size=640x360" width="640" height="360"></iframe>
     
    #11 ILoveTheRockets, Sep 15, 2012
  12. RedRedemption

    RedRedemption Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2009
    Messages:
    32,471
    Likes Received:
    7,652
    You are delusional.
    You'd even go as far as to discredit the man from being the first black president?
     
    #12 RedRedemption, Sep 15, 2012
  13. Raven

    Raven Member

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2002
    Messages:
    14,984
    Likes Received:
    1,024
    And Iran. The neocons are horny for Iran. Big Time.
     
    #13 Raven, Sep 15, 2012
  14. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

    Joined:
    May 15, 2000
    Messages:
    28,028
    Likes Received:
    13,046
    Half white, half black, and full Muslim.
     
    #14 CometsWin, Sep 15, 2012
  15. bigtexxx

    bigtexxx Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 12, 2002
    Messages:
    26,925
    Likes Received:
    2,265
    Many blacks didn't accept Obama as he was a rising politician, since he was raised by whites and frankly had very little in common with African Americans. African Americans and African immigrants don't always get along that well or like each other, in case you weren't aware.

    And why should we live by some outdated one drop rule? The man is half white half black
     
    #15 bigtexxx, Sep 15, 2012
  16. A_3PO

    A_3PO Member

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2006
    Messages:
    42,478
    Likes Received:
    5,891
    How would you have any idea how blacks feel (or felt) about Obama or why?

    I'll answer: You don't.
     
    #16 A_3PO, Sep 15, 2012
  17. CometsWin

    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

    Joined:
    May 15, 2000
    Messages:
    28,028
    Likes Received:
    13,046
    Thats why Alan Keyes won that race.
     
    #17 CometsWin, Sep 15, 2012
  18. BasketballMind

    BasketballMind Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2010
    Messages:
    2,090
    Likes Received:
    1,227
    #18 BasketballMind, Sep 15, 2012
  19. Dairy Ashford

    Dairy Ashford Member

    Joined:
    May 20, 2002
    Messages:
    14,505
    Likes Received:
    1,833
    My parents and I seemed to get along just fine rontex.
     
    #19 Dairy Ashford, Sep 15, 2012
  20. Codman

    Codman Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2001
    Messages:
    6,765
    Likes Received:
    11,710
    Every president deserves criticism but you are way too critical of a guy who has done much more than your now laughable party could ever do under the same circumstances.

    The only one that needs hope and change is the far, far right and miserable, intolerant,socially-regressive individuals with your username.
     
    #20 Codman, Sep 15, 2012
(You must log in or sign up to post here.)
Page 1 of 4

Share This Page

Toggle Width
Style
ClutchFans Original

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Rockets Content

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now