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Why do women get to 'take a break' or 'take a sabbatical'?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Xerobull, May 2, 2019.

  1. JuanValdez

    JuanValdez Contributing Member

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    Love how @Xerobull throws a sexism bomb in the middle of the forum and then disappears without even explaining what the heck it is he meant.
     
  2. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Apparently he is on sabbatical...
     
  3. Xerobull

    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    To clarify, I have had day jobs in state government for the past twenty years. Every single instance I have seen of someone taking extended time off due to 'needing a break' has been women, and it's accepted that it's OK. If a man were to do that, he would be ostracized. Heck, when I took a full 12 weeks FMLA for the birth of my son I got a hard time from my supervisor.

    Not talking about taking time off for pregnancy, though.

    For example: a leader position who was in charge of a major new facility disappeared halfway through the project. It turned out that 'she had a breakdown' and 'needed a break'. I got this info from people I trusted who knew her. No health issues, just couldn't cut it so bailed during a 9-figure project. Back at work a couple months later, like nothing happened.
     
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  4. JuanValdez

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    Maybe this is a state government phenomenon. In the private sector, when you take a break, you don't come back.

    Btw, I'd call a breakdown a health issue.
     
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    Why can you not accept women for who they are?

    BTW, I once was hired because the previous employee was taking a break to pursue other interest. That employee was a woman. Never questioned the decision. Let it be, brother.
     
  6. Space Ghost

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    What a massively overgeneralized statement. Im not sure what 'a lot' means and additionally, we live in a very different time than 40 years ago. Automation and availability have helped out tremendously.

    Im not going to detract gender roles. Ive had lots of friends who would be happy to stay at home and take care of the kids if the woman was willing to go off and be the one to support the family.
     
  7. Nook

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    Of course it is a massive generalization..... kind of like the thread topic. Staying home and taking case of children, the house and everything else that comes with it is harder than working outside of the home. If there are men that want to do it, then they need to marry a wealthy woman or be really frugal.

    I have worked construction, picked produce, tried federal criminal cases, handled mergers worth huge amounts of money... and it was al easier than being a good stay at home mom.
     
  8. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    So how many does 'every single time' encompass? I was in the work force for 40+ years. Not once did a woman take an unexpected, extended, non pregnancy leave.
     
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    Never have noticed this. I am a former federal employee and never knew anyone women (or men) that went on a sabbatical. In the private sector I have employed men and women. I have had women quit to become stay at home moms but never a sabbatical.

    I adjunct taught at a large law school and there were professors that went on sabbaticals but it was basically gender neutral.
     
  10. body slam

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    Sabbatical??? I don't even get sick days. If I want to get payed for a day off I have to burn a vacation day.
     
  11. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Sexist much?
     
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    Maternity leave is not considered a sabbatical.
     
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  13. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    Basing this thread on your own anecdotal experience is a blueprint for failure.
     
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  14. BruceAndre

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    Uhhhhh. No. Maybe 100 years ago, but not now. (with automatic everything)
     
  15. bobrek

    bobrek Politics belong in the D & D

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    Please let my son and daughter in law know about these automatic everythings. Sure would make their life easier to have an automatic diaper changer, an automatic food maker, an automatic grocery shopper, an automatic house cleaner, an automatic chauffeur, an automatic laundry doer. While things are certainly easier than 100 years ago, things are not easy.

    We watch their kids for a week and get worn out with everything involved.
     
  16. BruceAndre

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    I am sure watching over kids is exhausting.

    But compare life today to 100 years ago: dishwashers, clothes/washers dryers, microwaves (and food created for microwaves); heck now there are robot vacuum cleaners.

    Think about when all that stuff had to be done manually, and you should begin to see my point.
     
  17. Major

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    Ostracized by who? Other men?

    Maybe women just understand long-term health and life-balance better than men do.
     
  18. DonnyMost

    DonnyMost be kind. be brave.
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    As a parent with a 6 month old I can tell you that you are one zillion percent wrong. Save for maybe a handful of extremely taxing or dangerous manual labor jobs.
     
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    Being a good stay at home parent is tough, and it's also a luxury for most middle class.

    I wonder if the same crowd who thinks "housework is easy" also criticizes people for bad parenting and bad schools.

    Falls in line with zero empathy armchair specialists who have no business or social norms commenting on areas they have no idea what they're talking about.
     
  20. No Worries

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    On a related node, have you ever noticed that women take more bathroom breaks than men?

    I'm just saying.
     
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