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What does Jokic need to do to eclipse Hakeem?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Josh Smith, Jun 13, 2023.

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What does Jokic need to do to eclipse Hakeem?

  1. He already has. 2 mvp > 1 mvp

    5 vote(s)
    14.3%

  2. Win another ring.

    11 vote(s)
    31.4%

  3. Become a better defender.

    16 vote(s)
    45.7%

  4. It's too close to decide. They're both amazing.

    3 vote(s)
    8.6%
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  1. Josh Smith

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    Hakeem Olajuwon:
    • 1x mvp
    • 2x rings
    • 2x finals mvp
    • 12x all-star
    • 12x all-nba (6x first team)
    • 2x dpoy
    • 9x all-defense (5x first team)
    • 2x rebounding champ
    • 3x blocks champ
    Nikola Jokic:
    • 2x mvp
    • 1x ring
    • 1x finals mvp
    • 5x all-star
    • 5x all-nba (3x first team)
    With Nikola being 28 years old, I would say he's on pace to match Hakeem in regards to the all-star and all-nba selections. Hakeem is a better defender and Nikola is a better passer.

    Would you value a team achievement like rings since Hakeem has more (especially in this rings culture environment) or an individual achievement like mvp since Nikola more?
     
    #1 Josh Smith, Jun 13, 2023
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    Born 30 years before and play in the same Era. Go head to head with Hakeem. Then I'd say he's better.
     
    #2 cazyapma, Jun 13, 2023
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    Get a trophy named after you
     
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    He can't. No one can eclipse The Dream.
     
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    Reported. Blaspheming Hakeem is a ban-worthy offense IMO.
     
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    Slap Billy Paultz on both sides of his face.
     
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    Win two more rings and become the all time block leader. That was a ridiculously short list of choices that was missing the obvious answer.
     
    #7 theDude, Jun 13, 2023
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    chenjy9 Numbers Don't Lie
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    Why does this even matter?
     
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    Two separate conversations need to be had IMO.

    Who currently ranks higher on the made up “greats” list? It’s still Hakeem but only because Jokic has so much more career in front of him.

    Second conversation is just simply who was the better basketball player? That answer is Jokic. Jokic’s peak (right now) is the best big man we’ve ever seen IMO. How long he can keep this peak (or whether or not he can raise it even more) will decide where he ranks all time.

    I try to look at this stuff with as little emotion as possible… I think when you take emotion out, it’s pretty easy.
     
    #9 JMAD21, Jun 13, 2023
  10. AroundTheWorld

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    He will never.
     
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    Shaq at his apex was there also, the 2000 version
     
    #11 astrosrule, Jun 13, 2023
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    Eclipse is by far the wrong wording.

    Catch up to his accomplishments maybe.
     
    #12 daywalker02, Jun 13, 2023
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    Hakeem had 85% of the impact of Jokic on offense. He had 400% of Jokic's impact on defense.
     
    #13 fchowd0311, Jun 13, 2023
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    You are one of the few but a poll would be good who is better.
     
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    You are one of the few but a poll would be good who is better.
     
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    Also silly to ask this on a rockets forum, not gonna get any reasonable/objective responses
     
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    I love Jokic but I don’t think he matches up well with the pantheon of all time great centers.
     
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    Hakeem won a title with 4 other guys who were at the "Aaron Gordon level" of talent. It is amazing.

    To play with a Michael Porter Jr or Jamal Murray was a fantasy for Hakeem.
    Even Clyde was over the hill his first season in Htown.
     
    #18 DrNuegebauer, Jun 13, 2023
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    The owner of the nuggets didn’t change their uniforms to a flying dildo pinstriped pajamas
    After winning a title
     
    #19 tinman, Jun 13, 2023
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    nothing, because Sengun's gonna be better than both of them within three years, four tops. ;)
     
    #20 Os Trigonum, Jun 13, 2023
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