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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by j@amc, Jul 8, 2017.

  1. BimaThug

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    FYI, Cam Oliver's contract is for two years, partially guaranteed for $300,000 this season. Non-guaranteed in Year 2.

    Because Oliver's guarantee is greater than $50,000, if he is waived by the Rockets, he is ineligible to play for the Vipers this season on a G-League contract and is also ineligible to sign a Two-Way Contract with the Rockets this season.

    That means Oliver will either make the Rockets' 15-man roster out of training camp or he will not be in the Rockets' (or Vipers') plans at all for this season. I'm guessing he makes the 15-man roster. (As long as he is on the Rockets' 15-man roster, Oliver can still be assigned to the Vipers. He'll just continue to count against the Rockets' 15-man roster and will count against the cap.)
     
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    Wow, interesting; thanks.
     
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    Trade bait for Melo. Looking forward to his appreciation thread
     
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    Interesting info.

    So I would say we've got the following who look good to make the roster:
    Capela/Nene/Nanu
    Anderson/Zhou/Oliver
    Ariza/Tucker
    Harden/Gordon/Bobby Brown*
    Paul

    * - technically not signed, but yeah, he's making it.

    Current NGs: Taylor, Uthoff, Quarterman, Shawn Long

    I'd say Taylor based on his play in the G-League, his contract, and summer league has a pretty good shot as well.

    One more thought -- if you believe the roster above, that means we could only carry 3 of the 4 NG contracts (including Taylor) into the season. Given we could probably use one more vet guard and vet big, that further limits the ability to carry those guys.

    Not that it's surprising, but that certainly emphasizes the likelihood we make another move before the season starts.
     
  5. heypartner

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    Wow. Doesn't sound like a Morey contract. He got his preferred third yr into both the Wiltjer and Payton contracts, right?

    Seems like Cam's agent stuck to his gun to get Arenas FA status faster,

    Btw: it's fun to think about how Morey will use the 2-ways, but wasn't expecting him to be able to use them on the top undrafted players who get snapped up on draft day. Imo, We aren't all of a sudden going to see the Wiltjer, Payton's and Oliver of the draft take such lower pay. Those normally legitimate 15th players on an NBA roster have bigger things in mind for themselves, and likely will not sign a significantly lower paying 2-way vs the full, NBA minimums that the top undrafted get.

    That is, I think agents will balk at signing 2-ways on teams who haven't filled out their 15-man roster, yet. I also think 2-ways are meant to steal players from the Euroleague, and stop them from stealing some of our undrafted players simply by outbidding the pathetic G-league max salary.

    Morey can save the two-ways for players who are having trouble landing a full NBA contract, who you can make feel special by offering them spots 16 and 17 on the roster.
     
  6. NIKEstrad

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    We're over the cap and believe we spent our full MLE on Tucker + Zhou. We could only sign him to a 2 year deal.
     
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    He just signed his contract
     
  8. BimaThug

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    Nah, the Payton and Wiltjer contracts ended up being for only two years each. The Rockets originally negotiated on draft night for the POSSIBILITY of getting those guys on three-year deals IF the team had enough cap room to use on them. But then the Rockets spent all their cap room on Anderson, Gordon, the Harden renegotiation-and-extension and Onuaku, leaving only two-year deals for Payton, Wiltjer and Taylor (via the Minimum Player Salary Exception).

    Oliver has the same type of deal that those guys ultimately got (but with less guaranteed than Payton got last season).
     
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    Ahhh ... price you gotta pay for going over the cap for Chris Paul.

    So maybe Morey tried for a three yr 2-way deal, and the agent said,,,,Nah. Give us a minimum, or we go find one.
     
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    Thx. Need to get better at reading Spotrac. I always think that caphold year is a contract year, even when they clearly say he years in the description.
     
  11. BimaThug

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    Two-Way Contracts can only be for one or two seasons.
     
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    hey Bima, did you say 2-way contracts can't be over $50k/year? Or did I jump to a conclusion there?
     
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    Two-Way Contracts cannot contain a partial guarantee of more than $50,000. However, the total value of a Two-Way Contract for an entire season is more than that. It is prorated between the NBA rookie minimum salary for each day the player is on the NBA roster and an increased G-League salary ($75,000 annual salary this season) for each day the player is in the G-League.
     
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    Just to add to Bima's answer, the maximum days a two-way player can get full, NBA minimum salary pay is 45 days -- not games, but days. After that, you have to convert him to a minimum contract, provided you have a roster spot for them, in one of the regular 15 roster spots.

    So, they get a minimum of $75k and a maximum of $275k versus $815k for minimum rookie deals and $1.3m for second yr.

    it's much better pay than a G-Leauge max, and very competitive with preventing undrafted players from going to Europe like Bev originally did, but it is seriously lower pay for someone who really thinks they will find a full roster spot -- like other undrafted players used to get and still get.
     
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    Cameron Oliver

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    Carmelo rove in

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    Coincidence
     
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    That would definitely seem to indicate that things have gone from warm, to slightly warmer, with a trajectory of potentially even becoming hot.
     
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    A clear and cool headed take as usual.
     
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    Does this mean current NGs on the Rockets without such a partial guarantee can be waived and signed to two-ways? Like say Taylor or Uthoff. Not to say we would, but just in general, you make it sound like NGs can be waived and resigned to 2-ways, by the same team. Or am I reading too much into your quote above.
     
  19. BimaThug

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    Can't be guaranteed more than $50k in that season, I believe. As far as I can tell, that means:

    Taylor - yes
    Uthoff - no
    Quarterman - yes
    Long - maybe???
     
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