[WaPo] Candace Owens Is the New Face of Black Conservatism: But what does that really mean?

Nothing is certain. Her history indicates that she is merely pandering.

Her arguments are very reductive and are basic regugated internet debate talking points popularized by the right wing that are easily countered. Almost every debate involving race she regugated the "Democrats were the party of slavery".

She also is very careful in isolating her self from ever discussing subject matter in nuance with educated liberals. For example, during this year's Politicon, the schedule makers for the event wanted her to debate David Packman and she dipped out. But I think last week she finally accepted the offer to debate him and even her own supporters think it's a horrible idea. It's as if they have just enough awerensss to know she is too dumb to come out of that unscathed. I guess that is her pride getting the better of her .

 

Think I had this discussion with you before regarding her, either you or someone else...

But I don't think she's an honest actor either. She does get paid for her position and she does play up that not only is she a black republican...but a female one at that... let me clear that up, it's not that her getting paid for her position is an issue, it just seems that she completely flipped her politics overnight. She was what you'd probably describe as a liberal SJW one day then the next she became some hardcore conservative. Yeah, don't buy that, she didn't even take the libertarian step in between that most liberal-to-conservative converts do.

I think she hurts her cause more often than she helps it, it's funny because even Tomi Lahren realizes that. She had convinced Kanye West of all people to publicly endorse and promote conservatism...and in a few months completely scared him away from doing so. The funny thing about this whole episode is Tomi predicted it would happen and it did. I even predicted it would happen.

So, we could go into whether Candace is sincere or not...I don't think she is...but I think the main point here is that she throws out the most basic of talking points that have been discussed ad nauseum. It's not that people are dismissing her arguments...it's that people are just tired of explaining to others that during civil rights the parties swapped sides on race issues for example.

Also yeah, she does duck and dodge debates and she often just tries to screech over her opponent to the point where it can get...bad...

 

Candace Owens can run her own grift game on the party of white primacy to make then not feel as guilty as they would otherwise

What a country.

 

It seems that way because that's exactly how she describes it: "I became a conservative overnight ... I realized that liberals were actually the racists. Liberals were actually the trolls.

And also, conservatives must forgive me if I don't take a college dropout who has never voted too seriously as a political pundit.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...candace-owens-suddenly-became-loudest-n885166

 

It's one thing for someone to gradually transition from liberal to moderate to conservative (or vice versa) over a period of years. It's also not unusual for a person to significantly change his/her perspective on one or two specific topics (e.g. guns)...that can happen after having a relevant, profound personal life experience or epiphany.

However, I'm wary and suspicious of adult people who do a sudden and public 180 degree turn on seemingly their entire worldview. Candace Owens did just that a few years ago. Such people give me strong "con artist" vibes.

There are Black conservatives out there that are likable and good folk. The "conservative" Candace is not one of them. She is a grifter. There are a lot of people, including many conservatives, that feel the same way about her. Nobody with a properly functioning bullshit-radar takes her seriously.

Kanye made a major mistake with his "I like the way Candace Owens" thinks tweet. If he hadn't done that then she's probably still be a nobody today. His tweet gave her a lot of oxygen and she seized on the opportunity.

 

She is a woman and you are right she shouldn’t be referred to as “girl”, just like AOC isn’t a “girl”. The fact that a woman’s beliefs or opinions are so easily dismissed with terms like “girl” or the frivality idea being used against AOC just expresses that there are still societal/cultural biases against women.

I am not picking on anyone that uses such a term and stops when it is pointed out to them. Culture doesn’t change over night.

It may seem “PC” or nitpicking but I think it is very telling in society as a whole.

Like I told my driver, we don’t use the term “Oriental” anymore, so we can stop referring to grown women expressing opinions as “girl” or a black person expressing conservative views as “Uncle Tom”.

 

It is possible. She is just not very good at knowing the subject matter well. That makes me question the value of her opinions personally. I find Ben Shapiro to be incredibly unoriginal nor creative. However he is very well educated on the issues so at least I will listen to his position.

You are entitled to that opinion and I am entitled to agree with you.... but she has the right to express her opinion. She wouldn’t be the first or last grifter. Jesse Jackson has been grifting for 50 years.. the current President did it so well he got elected.

The people choose who and what is sincere.

 

There isn't anything inherently inconsistent about individual blacks being conservative. However, the reasons for blacks voting overwhelmingly liberal are pretty straightforward: all black freedom, suffrage and economic mobility in this country comes directly from federal oversight and enforcement, and Democrats as well as coastal liberals took that mantle from JFK and LBJ going forward. Conservatives unfortunately sometimes conflate that with welfare dependency and then wildly overstate blacks' participation rates. Black conservative commentators sometimes make the mistake of claiming that conservatism is the only correct choice for blacks, then end up referring to black liberal politicians as "pimps and hustlers" often enough for short-sighted, dick-headed white conservative co-workers and neighbors to quote them and scare off all the pro-life, evangelical, traditionalist, pro-military blacks left. If you find yourself using the term "plantation" to complain about black liberal voters, first go **** yourself, then take a couple seconds to consider its effectiveness as argument.

 

It happens when there's a sudden shock about the failings in their world view, the Soviets used to have a strategy based around it, where upon accession of socialism in a given country, they would kill their useful idiots because the dangers they posed when reality collapsed against their ideals, which would lead them to being their most vocal enemies.

Candace doesn't seem particularly intelligent mind you, good communication skills and presentation though, but her "doxxing" website and the uproar that occurred over that would generally qualify as that shock.

 

What was the old face of black conservatism? Some frat boy in blackface?

 

Maybe?

 

Getting a pretty black woman to spew out right-wing talking points is obviously going to be a hit with the right. I'd call her a very smart opportunist who knows how to take a failed career and make a buck.

 

LOL!

 

Get them checks Candace get them checks.

 

This is interesting, because I'm not sure it's so easy to separate these things.

That said, this is why I think talk about "racism" is overblown. I don't think too many people in America look down on other people these days simply because of the color of their skin.

Rather, people look down on other people due to different lifestyles, different cultural norms, etc. And economic class, to a very large extent, is the result of lifestyle decisions and cultural norms.

The ultimate question, I think, is: if someone is a certain race, do they automatically have to follow the cultural norms of that race? Or is that something they can break away from, if they wish to?

 

If it's a question of strong interest for you, I'd read up some books about black history and the movements they went through internally. Black Americans had their native cultures purposefully cleansed and washed over. They were then divided and categorized further over time.

There were deep seated internal divisions kept among them even after emancipation, and it took a lot of discussion and compromise to reach the point of a "collective culture".

To approach your question as a Black American (which I'm not), what does it mean to break away from MY culture? What happened when it was tried before...say when the One Drop Rule was collectively practiced?

With the criminal justice, financial and legal system slanted against African Americans, how much effort is needed to "integrate" with the cultural norms of the majority?

Is it truly possible in the sense of parity with other races in that culture? Can one live in "both worlds", as mainstream perception holds that they're mutually exclusive?

 

When did Candace Owens become considered pretty or particularly attractive?

she is pretty average and plain to me.

so when do we get that think piece on Diamond and Silk?

https://www.fathomevents.com/events/dummycrats-featuring-diamond-and-silk