1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Visual Analysis of Minutes Played: Confirming What We Know

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by napalm06, May 25, 2019.

  1. snowconeman22

    snowconeman22 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 7, 2008
    Messages:
    14,059
    Likes Received:
    16,011
    Farried is definitely more 1 dimensional than you'd like .

    But frankly , if we are talking about "vs warriors" then capela might as well be one dimensional too .

    I can't believe farried didn't get a chance .
     
    amaru and napalm06 like this.
  2. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2008
    Messages:
    26,370
    Likes Received:
    29,536
    Turns out that this is definitely true.

    His 2004-2005 and 2005-2006 Suns playoff rotations are even slightly more top-heavy than these.

    His M.O. is to roll 6 guys 32-40 minutes and then a 7th guy with 14-16 and an 8th guy at 9-12.

    The NBA on average is playing playing guy #8 about 15 minutes, guy #9 about 14 minutes, and some teams are even playing guys #10 and #11 for an average of 9 minutes.

    I'm being persuaded over to the fact that this really is a D'Antoni thing... darn it.

    I realize that #9 and on in an NBA roster are going to have big weaknesses, but sometimes a team needs energy and a star needs a breather.

    You can do never ending analysis on this stuff (this is just basic box score stuff at this point), but the next thing I'd want to analyze is the impact of playing deeper in your bench on star shot percentage, turnovers, team +/- during those limited minutes, and effects on win %. Relatedly, there's probably some "sweet spot" of Usage where you start to get worse results after a while.
     
    Nook and snowconeman22 like this.
  3. harold bingo

    harold bingo Udoka Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2017
    Messages:
    3,473
    Likes Received:
    10,251
    Totally agree. Everyone always says Faried is unplayable due to his poor defense, and I don't disagree...but so was Capela! Capela was a huge negative on defense, and a huge negative on offense. If that's not 'unplayable' then I don't know what is. As long as Capela is going to play that bad...you might as well try out your other 'unplayable' guys and see who is the best out of them.
     
    snowconeman22 likes this.
  4. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,577
    Likes Received:
    35,648
    THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, @napalm06!

    A great illustration on why the Rockets need *Playoff Depth* bench players. Players 6-8. When the margins for error are so small these things matter.

    Regular season depth is nice to overcome injuries and help get a top seed. But *Playoff Depth* is COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Guys that can ratchet up their game to the next level and contribute or as @napalm06 said, *not become a liability.*

    This needs to be a point of emphasis for Daryl Morey this summer.

    *8 playoff worthy rotation guys*

     
    Nook and napalm06 like this.
  5. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,577
    Likes Received:
    35,648
    I think it is both. Add in 1 more *high ceiling player* AND get playoff bench guys *6, 7 and 8.*

    A lot to ask? Yes. But that's why it will take. And remember we have Tilman "Whatever It Takes" Fertitta to lead the charge.
     
    Nook likes this.
  6. deshen

    deshen Member

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2006
    Messages:
    1,252
    Likes Received:
    159
    looks like the lineups got smaller in playoffs than regular season. :(
     
    rocks123 and napalm06 like this.
  7. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    107,583
    Likes Received:
    156,577
    "Is this year's Rockets team better than last year's?"
    "This team goes 9/10 deep!"
    "This bench is better than last year's!"

    :D
     
    amaru, snowconeman22 and apollo33 like this.
  8. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2008
    Messages:
    26,370
    Likes Received:
    29,536
    I legitimately thought that. And still do. But the missing piece that I underrated was Ariza. We upgraded guys 7 & 8 but lost guy #3/4 which pushed Gordon into more minutes. We never found that new SF piece.

    It irks me that we didn't play Faried in spot minutes in the Warriors series, like Nene, just to see what we had. If we can get a switchable SF and PF, I still have faith in this team.
     
    snowconeman22 likes this.
  9. apollo33

    apollo33 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2009
    Messages:
    20,386
    Likes Received:
    16,554
    House looked like deer in headlights in the playoffs.

    This is all on Morey imo, he didn't really bring is playoff ready players off the bench.
     
  10. bulkatron

    bulkatron Member

    Joined:
    Apr 16, 2014
    Messages:
    3,421
    Likes Received:
    2,104
    Nice analysis and no arguments - passes the eye test. But I would argue fatigue is not what doomed us. GS was even more short with the injuries. We simply didn’t box out and execute when it counted in games 5-6.
     
  11. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2001
    Messages:
    26,577
    Likes Received:
    35,648
    Maybe fatigue was part of the reason that box outs and execution were not as crisp.

    There is a lot of blame to go around. And a lot of this stuff is cumulative and rolls up.
     
    Nook and HP3 like this.
  12. HP3

    HP3 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2018
    Messages:
    22,869
    Likes Received:
    32,140
    Do you guys not remember how bad Faried is on defense. Because as bad as our defense was, it could have gotten a lot worse. And hes not just bad on ball hes bad off ball as well.
     
    napalm06 likes this.
  13. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2008
    Messages:
    26,370
    Likes Received:
    29,536
    I agree with that. Boxing out almost exclusively lost us the series, which amazing because it's a middle school IQ fundamental thing.

    The team that won the rebounding battle won every game of the series. Rebounding also takes a ton of energy, especially if you're going to make it hard on yourself by not boxing out.
     
    bulkatron and HP3 like this.
  14. harold bingo

    harold bingo Udoka Only Fan
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2017
    Messages:
    3,473
    Likes Received:
    10,251
    I do remember. I'm not suggesting he would be good, but Capela had a -15.2 net rating. He tanked both our defense and our offense. All I'm saying is MAYBE if we tried Faried his net rating would be...-13? Maybe even -10? I don't think Faried is the savior that dominates the matchup. I do not think he would be a positive on the court. I'm suggesting that just MAYBE he is bad, but less bad than Capela. If we got Faried to play 15ish minutes a game (rather than Capela) at a -10 net rating, we may have won that series.
     
    napalm06 likes this.
  15. HP3

    HP3 Member

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2018
    Messages:
    22,869
    Likes Received:
    32,140
    Alright, thats a fair point.

    I'll just ask you in a series that close would you really have trusted Faried in this situation? Trust him to be better than Capela who has been our guy and better all season long, who at least knows the switching scheme properly? I dont think that I would. But I guess I can now see that playing Faried might not have been AS bad as I previously thought.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now