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Visual Analysis of Minutes Played: Confirming What We Know

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by napalm06, May 25, 2019.

  1. napalm06

    napalm06 Huge Flopping Fan

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    @Deuce and others made a good suggestion in my other thread about looking at minutes distributions in the regular season and playoffs and letting the data tell us if our strict, tightened playoff rotations also match what other teams are doing.

    This is not a perfect analysis, but it is quick and serves its purpose.
    Information/disclaimers:
    I copied CSV files from basketball-reference on all players' minutes played 2018-2019 regular season and 2019 playoffs
    I de-duplicated players on multiple teams, only kept latest team stats
    Removed players who played less than 4 playoff games (injury issues skew the data)
    Ranked each player among each team by minutes played (1-15)
    *Average minutes don't add up to 48 minutes because this is an average across players by their rankings. Injuries and lineup changes and my exclusions of players who didn't meet 4 playoff games played affect this.

    Exhibit A:

    A.JPG

    What does this tell us:
    Houston played its starters (at least, its top 5 most played players) the heaviest in the regular season tied with OKC.

    (The main point of this was to compare regular season minutes to playoff minutes across players apples to apples. So the fact that Houston played an average of 21.7 bench minutes is misleading, that's just an average across players eligible for direct comparison.)

    In the playoffs, Houston's top 5 guys increased their minutes by 7% on average (there's only so much to increase by!) but Golden State had the largest leap, followed by Denver and Boston. However, BENCH-WISE (6th man and on) Houston had the largest drop at -38%. Ouch. The Warriors, already the most top heavy team, also decreased by 23%. But they had more top-end talent.

    So let's look at this another way by splitting it up among rotation guys (top 7) and not just starters (top 5):
    B.JPG
    Again, the Rockets led the league in minutes played by the top 7 in the regular season. In the playoffs, these guys' minutes stayed steady. Meanwhile, the "depth" (or utility guys) 8, 9, 10 on the depth chart absolutely fell off a cliff compared to other teams. (-49% versus a non-Rockets league average of about -17%.)

    Enough jabbering, let's bring it home:
    C.JPG

    Takeaways from this:
    1. #1 guys elevated their minutes about 8% on average in the playoffs. Harden went up 5%. We're good there. Tucker (our version of a #2 minutes muncher) went up as well, OK.

    2. Here's the first problem. This is another angle to the Capela story we already know... his regression really put a dent in our already top heavy depth...

    3. Meanwhile, Paul and Gordon's minutes were escalated heavily. Gordon in particular jumped more heavily (18%) than the typical #5 guy (4%). We were using these two as our all-in strategy on our guard-heavy lineup. (And then wondering why we couldn't rebound... an analysis for another time.)

    4. This is the D'Antoni effect. Now we see it in data. Rivers' fall in minutes is partially due to injury so let's excuse that one. House's minutes would've been lower but were skewed by at least some minutes in the Jazz series. But we're already seeing big drops on the 6th and 7th guys (these are supposed to be key game-swinging positions). It gets worse with Faried and on. This is why we burned out brightly.

    TL;DR version - just look at this last chart, at the League's average minutes distribution and ours in the playoffs. The league is playing their 8th and 9th guys 14-15 minutes. Even 12 and 13 guys are getting 4-5 minutes of burn in spot situations (not on the Warriors, obviously.)

    Seen another way:
    If this isn't as stark as you were expecting, it doesn't really need to be. We're not that far away from being the top team. It's the little things like this that blow it up.
    D.JPG

    We complain a lot about only having the veteran minimum, MLE, etc available. We want to chase stars. And that's great. But veteran minimum and sneaky contracts can definitely be used to find specialists (or at least not HUGE LIABILITIES) to take these minutes that are currently a void for us. I hold Morey more accountable for this than D'Antoni. And I say this as a Morey fan.

    Daryl, I did data stuff. Go sign a rebounding, 6'10 depth PF for once in your life.
     
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  2. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist
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    No way they can't be tired because they say they don't believe in resting. Also a lot of Harden's FTA's are not super serious. Plus he walks it up often.

    Harden should do more.
     
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    Harden should be sitting his butt down for a couple of minutes when he's tired, because our GM should be able to find another forward to complement our rotation! :) That way, when Harden is on the floor, he can help with proper spacing and everybody wins. It's all connected.
     
  4. Mr. Clutch

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    This has been a Dantoni issue going back to the suns
     
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    Sure. But I also think that Faried and Green (and Capela) sort of made themselves unplayable with our switching defense. When that happens, we have Tucker as the only non-guard in our rotation.

    Something in that cycle has to give. Either signing switch-capable forwards, or adjusting the defense.
     
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    Yup, they need to force him to sit now. Especially since he's hitting 30 and has taken such a beating all these years.

    I said this ages ago I'll say it again: MDA acts like he can't get Harden to sit, in reality he is f'ing ecstatic that Harden refuses to sit because it compliment's MDA stubborn minutes strategy.
     
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    very nice work but I don't think its a surprise to anyone that our top guys played more minutes than any other team because we had less depth than any other team. its not so much MDAs strategy to only play the top guys but there was no bench ready to contribute, especially not against the warriors.

    playing the top guys more minutes during the regular reason was due to all the injuries and the slow start. if we started 15-1 we wouldn't have had to play increased minutes to stay afloat.

    all this can be solved with simply adding 2-3 guys who can play off the bench. possibly even just adding 1 starting small forward so gordon can go back to the bench and increase our average minutes played off the bench. but at this point I'd be happy if the rockets paid to fill every roster spot next year.
     
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    Should have kept ariza
     
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    Not saying i disagree with this, but it's also true that Nene could've played a bit more, and that you already know what kind of players are Gerald and Faried, if you don't see them as being able to contribute in the postseason, the regular season should be also used to develop/test a bit more guys like Clark (which i think could've played a bit) and Hartenstein (which i don't think could've played).
     
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    agreed. The main takeaway for me is that Morey needs to improve guys 6, 7 and 8 for us to be an elite team. A lot of fans are looking for us to get a number 3. That's nice but isn't the only positive scenario.
     
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    I'm so sick of "this guy is unplayable against GSW..." "that guy is unplayable against GSW..."
    If we had Looney - would he have been 'unplayable'?

    What happened to "We dont make adjustments - they adjust to us..." and "we're just gonna play our game?"

    @J.R.

    LMAO!
     
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    MDA doesn't use the bench in the regular season. Guys just don't have the time to even get better with him. Gary Clark is a good example
     
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    D'Antoni shrinks
     
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    Where is the chart for showing how your teams best player disappears when it matters most in crucial playoff games ?
     
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    Well if you think this then I'm sure it will come as a surprise that it's not true. Kerr played his starters more minutes than Dantoni did. Even in @napalm06's chart it says the warrior starters are ahead of us 36.6 to 36.1. But if you want a direct comparison of their guys vs our guys, in order of most to least minutes in our series-

    Durant 42.4 vs Tucker 41.0
    Klay 41.5 vs Harden 40.3
    Dray 40.3 vs Gordon 38.8
    Curry 39.3 vs CP3 38.7
    Iggy 34.5 vs Capela 28.8
     
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    very good but my point remains; more depth is the answer, and we knew that all season. the warriors can afford to be top-heavy with their minutes distribution because they have 5 all stars. we can't afford to be top-heavy with minutes because we have 1 all star that carries the entire load until exhaustion, tucker is old, gordon is injury prone, and Paul is both old and injury prone.
     
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    exactly. trading for a #3 reduces our depth further. unless its a superstar who makes up for the lack of depth like James does. otherwise, spend the full non-taxpayer MLE and the LLE, and spend our cash to buy a first round pick. this will hard cap us but its a guaranteed way to add 2-3 more players to the rotation. forget gambling on vet minimum guys. bring back our tarting 5 (probably can't afford to retain rivers, no one else was really rotation worthy against the warriors) and add 3 more players this offseason and we have an actual 8-man rotation. make hartenstein and Clark move in with Hakeem this summer and we might even have 9-10 guys who can earn minutes next year.
     
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  19. snowconeman22

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    I gotta say , on paper , rivers and farried are about as good as you can hope for in the 6-7 spot . House was a decent bet to be an OK #8 , but then his season got torpedoed when he got sent down to the g-league for a month and a half . A mistake I blame mostly tilman , and then Morey for . I also think Ennis had an outside shot of being #8 .

    Ideally , we can find someone to push Gordon back to #6 .

    But IMO MDA makes it hard for the GM to bring him depth . The MDA list of qualifications to get minutes in the playoffs extends only to starting caliber players ... and maybe a few minutes to see if he can get a shooter hot . Morey is stuck bringing in the few types of players he thinks MDA might play instead of looking for the best overall talent .
     
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    Rivers was great for us in the playoffs, especially the Warriors series.

    Faried was too fatally flawed, unfortunately.
     
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