U.S. tipping Mexico to Minuteman patrols (Daily Bulletin)

What he said...what is the intention of the minutemen...is it to stop illegal activity such as drug smuggling or to stop and report illegals crossing the border...

I would say both which either way, is ridiculous as they have a bigger chance of getting hurt than helping anyone...if its to stop and/or report drug trafficing, cool, but what are they going to do, call and hope someone comes in time...

If its to stop and or report illegals, cool, but who are these guys to do this...

They need to get real jobs...

 

If the Mexican govt. knows where the Minutemen are stationed, I don't see that as a big deal. The Mexican govt. aren't the ones sneaking into the country. By knowing where the minutemen are they probably are avoiding some kind of accidental confrontation.

If I was a minuteman myself, I wouldn't care if the Mexican govt. knew where I was.

 

Oh wait! I mean the Minutemen Rock!

 

And vice versa.

 

The Mexican government is concerned about the Minutemen because they are worried about possible harm to their citizens, which I think is understandable. So, they want to know what the Minutemen are up to to help them control the situation. The US government wants to have a cooperative relationship with the Mexican government, especially on issues of immigration, so they are helping Mexico in their effort to protect their citizens. As for the protection of our own citizens, the US has told the Minutemen that what they are doing is dangerous and they should not be doing it. The best thing they can do for the Minutemen's safety, in my opinion, is to discourage them from continuing and go home so they'll be out of harm's way.

Mexico unduly influences our policy regarding illegal immigration, though there are diplomatic concerns we should be taking into account. The Minutemen are trying to subvert the democratic process in deciding what we as a country will do about illegal immigration by forcing a fait accompli. If they don't like the way the government is doing something, they should go vote and write their congressman, not engage in vigilantism.

 

Got a ton of white boy guilt, thats my problem,
Obstacle of joy, one reason to use some drugs.
Slept on a mexican beach slept in trash - American trash -
thinking to much can ruin a good time.

I asked a mexican who ran a bar for americans "Who won" I said "The election?",
He laughed, I felt like a gringo,
They played a song and had some fun with us.

Why can't you buy a good time?
Why are there soldiers in the street?
Why did I spend the fourth in someone elses country?

 

You might want to look into the Minute Men leadership a little bit.

From the Souther Poverty Law Center (This organization monitors hate groups and has brought civil suits that have destroyed Klan chapters and other white supremacist organizations)-


Minuteman leader has troubled past
by Susy Buchanan and David Holthouse



With his guns close at hand and visions of mushroom clouds blossoming darkly in his mind's eye, Chris Simcox punched the record button on the answering machine inside his Los Angeles apartment.
"Hi, this is Chris," he said. "You have reached a righteous American educational institution. Due to the horrific changes in our society in the last few days, I now must preface that I will accept offers of communication only from people who preface their message with the preamble to the Constitution of the United States of America. If you include that with your message, I look forward to communicating with you, and have a great day. Thanks. Bye."

It was Sept. 13, 2001. Simcox, by his own later account to reporters, was obsessed with the recent terrorist attacks. His phone messages and conversations with relatives were growing increasingly bizarre. He talked endlessly about stockpiling firearms and apocalyptic premonitions. Los Angeles was doomed, he said. Then, on Sept. 30, he fled the city for good.

"I'm going on a great adventure," he told his teenaged son. "If I end up going to prison, you can always e-mail me."

Four years later, Simcox is at the height of his great adventure. He is president of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a nationwide, anti-immigration vigilante organization with armed "citizen border patrols" in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas, along with a smattering of states on the Canadian border where Minutemen have deployed to protect America from northern invaders.

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Threats, Anger and Paranoia

The truth is more complex and troubling. Court records obtained by the Center's Intelligence Project show Simcox's second ex-wife, Kim Dunbar, filed an emergency appeal in September 2001 to obtain full custody of their teenage son because she feared that Simcox had suffered a mental breakdown and was dangerous.

Dunbar declined to be interviewed for this article, but her sworn affidavits speak for themselves. In one, Dunbar testified that throughout their 10-year marriage, Simcox was prone to sudden, violent rages.

"He once took a knife from the kitchen and threatened to kill himself," she testified. "When he was angry, he broke furniture, car windows, he banged his head against the wall repeatedly and punched things."

Dunbar said that when their son was 4 years old, Simcox slapped him so hard that a mark remained on his face for two days. Another time, she testified, she grabbed her young son in her arms and jumped out a window because Simcox was throwing furniture at them.

After such episodes, she said, Simcox would become despondent. "He would stare at walls, mumbling to himself." In the affidavits, Dunbar said she repeatedly pressured Simcox to seek professional help and even tried to have him hospitalized. But he persistently refused treatment.

"Eventually," she said, "the only thing I could do was file for divorce."

Simcox and Dunbar initially shared custody of their son. There was no legal dispute until shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the United States, when Dunbar suddenly filed a flurry of emergency appeals.

"While Chris has always been prone to strong opinions and ranting behavior, this last episode has gone even farther," she told the court. "I am convinced he has had some kind of mental lapse and I am now, more than ever, afraid for my son to be in Chris' care."

Dunbar grew frightened after Simcox left her a series of bizarre voicemail messages beginning that Sept. 13, in which he went on angry diatribes about the Constitution, patriotism, and impending nuclear attacks on Los Angles, and talked about training their 15-year-old son in the use of firearms.

"I will begin teaching him the art of protecting himself with weapons," Simcox said in one recorded message he left for Dunbar. "I purchased another gun. I have more than a few weapons, and I intend on teaching my son how to use them." Simcox added, "I will no longer trust anyone in this country. My life has changed forever, and if you don't get that, you are brainwashed like everybody else."

In phone conversations with his son that his ex-wife recorded and submitted to the court as evidence of Simcox's mental instability, he challenged the boy to become "a man and a real American."

"You better stop playing baseball, buddy, and you better do something real, 'cause life will never be the same," Simcox thundered. "I'm going to go down to the Mexican border and sign up for the government for border patrol to protect the borders of the country that I love. You hear how serious I am."

Simcox's son asked his father what would happen to his cat, Moe. "Moe may end up on the dead pile, " Simcox said.


Wyatt Earp vs. the Chinese

The court ruled in Dunbar's favor, ending the joint custody arrangement and awarding Dunbar sole custody of their son.
Simcox has said that after leaving Los Angeles he tried to become a Border Patrol agent but was rejected for being too old. After settling in Tombstone, he worked for a while as a gunfight-show actor before purchasing the local newspaper, The Tombstone Tumbleweed.

Simcox initially told followers he had drained his son's college fund to pay for the paper, but later switched to claiming he had emptied his own retirement account. Simcox used the paper to rail against illegal immigration and to recruit volunteers for Civil Homeland Defense, the outfit he founded in 2002 and described in the Tumbleweed as a "committee of vigilantes."

In January 2003, while on patrol with Civil Homeland Defense, Simcox was arrested by federal park rangers for illegally carrying a .45-caliber semi-automatic handgun in a national park. Also in Simcox's possession at the time of that arrest, according to police records, were a document entitled "Mission Plan," a police scanner, two walkie-talkies, and a toy figure of Wyatt Earp on horseback.

Two months later, in a speech to the California Coalition on Immigration Reform, a hate group whose leader, Barbara Coe, routinely refers to Mexicans as "savages," Simcox offered a dire warning to his audience.

"Take heed of our weapons because we're going to defend our borders by any means necessary," he said. "There's something very fishy going on at the border. The Mexican army is driving American vehicles -- but carrying Chinese weapons. I have personally seen what I can only believe to be Chinese troops."

Of illegal immigrants, Simcox added: "They're trashing their neighborhoods, refusing to assimilate, standing on street corners, jeering at little girls walking on their way to school."

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http://www.splcenter.org/intel/news/item.jsp?pid=166&site_area=1

 

After reading that, I can only think that this guy is truly an american hero and all the people riding his jock have nothing to be ashamed of....

 

Remarkably, this story is EXACTLY the type of report I expected on "Minutemen".

Wanabe Rambos with parnoid delusions.

This gentlemen would be much more at home in Idaho with White-Power Militias and fortified compounds.

What is with the Chinese reference?? I am thouroughly convinced that one of these jag-off's are gonna put a 30.06 slug through some poor s.o.b. border runner that was mistaken for an advance guard of the red Chinese horde massing on the Rio Grande...

 

dude, calm down...Are you their leader? I'm just questioning the possiblity of taking the law into their own hands...It's a real possibility and who know what kind of people they are...troubled past, wanna be cop, etc...

Besides, who wants to be a rat...

 

awesome.

 

Has anyone considered that the US Border Patrol is telling the Mexican Government for the Minutemen's safety to prevent an accidental confrontation between Mexican Border Patrol and Minutemen. Its quite possible that in poor visibility that the parties could stumble on each other and Minutemen might mistake Mexican Border Patrol for illegals who they try to confront or Mexican Border Patrol thnks they are smugglers. Letting authorities on both side of the border know where they are just lessens the chance of a dangerous confrontation.

 

What would the Mexican Border Patrol be doing in the US? Also, I thought the Minutemen were just reporting 'illegal' sightings to the Border Patrol - so what confrontation are you talking about? Is that not true?

 

The Mexican border patrol might be right up on the border. Minutemen who don't understand Spanish patrolling at night or in bad weather might just see a bunch of people along the border and catching a smattering of Spanish presume they are illegals getting ready to cross or smugglers. For that matter since the border isn't clearly demarcated at some spots Minutemen have accidently crossed over the border since its known that one of the biggest problems with the Minutemen patrols was them accidently triggering border sensers.

From the Minutemens' own reports they don't always just watch and report. From the story cited earlier they rescued an illegal. To do that they must've moved in close enough to take him into custody. Again in poor visibility and miscommunication a confrontation is very possibly.

Whether you think the Minutemen are doing the right thing or not these are primarily poorly trained overly motivated people operating in a very dangerous and often confusing environment. In that situation its better to try to reduce the possibilty of mistakes happening by making sure the authorities know where and who they are.

 

"u white people love to be racist, but the only races u can tell apart are indianapolis and daytona." - Carlos Mencia

 

Except that illegal immigrants are actually break the law and when they are found they are deported. The mark of disapproval is already on them. I think it should be on the Minutemen as well.