Trump's Final Numbers, lost 2.9 Million Jobs, unemployment rose from 4.7% to 6.3%

There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.

I'm not really yearning to defend Trump nor to give him any credit. But Covid puts a big ass asterisk on any number you quote from his presidency, making these kinds of arguments unpersuasive. The metrics should be cut off circa February 2020 because everything went to hell in March.

 

Yeah, and Trump had nothing to do with that.

 

Petty distortions are @adoo's thing.

Trump paid for his bungling of covid by losing to Biden.

Donny can only shift blame for the lockdown on Fauci and nanny Blue state governors, but no one really wanted to go out at that time except for the 30 under group, who were doing "essential work" delivering and supplying food for the rest of us.

 

Absolutely.

It is as unpersuasive as blaming Biden for inflation when COVID-19 was a major contributor to the supply chain disruptions that led to worldwide inflation.

However, there is some nuance that can be had. Many here have ignored most if not all of it, though.

How did the U.S. economy perform relative to other countries while X was the President before, during, and post COVID-19?

 

Well that's one I've already stated that the Fed is running 100B losses last year on it's account that it'll have to square with the Treasury in the future.

Just because it doesn't have to in the near future doesn't mean there aren't second order effects, primarily the ~$8,000,000,000,000 it has to square away when asset markets have priced that fat amount in.

Here's another since you're parroting my "prove it" stance:
https://bbs.clutchfans.net/threads/a-tale-of-two-economies.320573/
You tried to compare Russia and America's economies and make it look like Biden and Powell were genies doing magic. Did the Ministry of Truth give you a raise for that whopper?

Just a reminder to back up your claims on what you think I said.

You don't want to be a baseless parrot!​

SQUAWK

 

Don't be "lazy."

Help me understand your distortions

 

It still amounts to cherry-picking. We can blame him for a terrible covid response, but it isn't useful to have in these metrics. He got the downturn and Biden got the recovery. That's all this can show me.

 

Trump also inherited the work Obama had done

When is the last time a Democrat didn’t inherit an economy that’s gone to sh*t? They always have to spend at least half their presidency cleaning up the Republican mess

 

Speaking of lies did Mexico even pay for that wall and did we ever get that Obamacare replacement greatest ever healthcare plan?

 

Yes. Right before Trump' infrastructure week.

 

I can agree that it’s unfair to pin CoVID economic downturn on Trump. It is absolutely fair though to note that he didn’t do things like getting infrastructure passed and that his trade war actually hurt US manufacturers and farmers.

 

I remember during the Obama presidency many on the Right were claiming the economy was actually terrible. Then all of sudden on Jan.21, 2017 the economy was suddenly great.

 

The US's unemployment increase, under Trump, did much worse relative to other countries during Covid.

 

You remember correctly. Polling in America on the state of the economy did a "flip" right after Trump took office, driven by a specific group that changes its mind fairly quickly. (It did another flip when Biden took office, driven largely by the same group.)

 

If you took jobs created right before covid and from when trump started biden still has a pretty big lead.