Trump: Transgenders no longer welcome in the military

When one joins the military, they lose all individuality. In other words, special facilities should not be built for 2 or 3 people out of a thousand. We all have our own individual problems. The militarys general principal is if you can serve w/out making your individual a problem to them, they generally dont care.

The question is not if trans can serve. The question is how the military views an individual. Men and women have different standards in the military. This is one of the big fusses about women serving on the front lines. Soldiers generally dont care who's beside them, they care about whether they can count on them to perform their job. My personal feeling is there should be no distinction between anyone, including sex. Everyone bunks and showers in the same place.

 

I would like to serve but I'm past the age limit for non-prior military service. Where is the outrage on my behalf?

The military has numerous disqualifiers. The military is not meant to be all-inclusive for anyone who wants to be a part of it. There should be rigorous standards.

 

Every person who is now at age 40 was once at a younger qualifying age. That is not discrimination in the same sense.

 

There are no rigorous standard for military. The people who go west point, navy academy, air force academy are like the top of the top. A large chunk of the military is not that caliber.

 

yeap, and the general society should get to that point at some point

 

Are you implying as a society, we should all lose our individuality and conform to one belief only? Sounds like religion to me.

 

I don't mean to shatter dreams here, but at this point you're too old to join the military Dan. It's the kind of disgusting age discrimination that goes on every day in this country and it's a damn shame.

 

Don't worry, soon we will have all AI fighting force.

 

It depends on what your definition for "rigorous standard" is. Due to military standards, many people can't join, males who have over a 26% body fat percentage are excluded, females with over 32% body fat percentage are excluded. There are age restrictions for joining, there are all sorts of mental illness or injury histories that would restrict a person from joining. There is a PT standard required to join that I would argue most of the public would fail to meet and a higher PT standard once you are in that even fewer would meet.

Now sure, standards at the academies are higher, but that doesn't mean there aren't standards for people who enlist.

That will just change what the human military members do. There will be fewer or no grunts but it will increase the need for support and intelligence.

 

Why don't you attempt to read? While you're at it, why don't you attempt to park your bigotry somewhere and instead consider honoring these Americans who volunteered for our Armed Services and are today serving in Afghanistan and other conflict areas, putting their lives on the line so people like you and I can sit in front of a keyboard and "discuss" whether they are "worthy" to defend the United States and her friends and allies. Some reading material below:

Here’s How Many Trans People Serve in the U.S. Military
Medical care for trans troops would cost 0.0014 percent of defense spending.
By
John Tozzi
and
Rebecca Greenfield
July 26, 2017, 2:13 PM CDT
President Donald Trump's claim that the U.S. military "cannot be burdened with the tremendous medical costs" of transgender service members contradicts the findings of a recent report the Pentagon itself commissioned.

Care for transgender people in the military would add $8.4 million to the total medical costs of all active duty service members, according to an analysis last year by RAND Corp. That's a little more than 0.1 percent of what the military spends on medical care for all service members. To put that in perspective, it's about 0.0014 percent of Trump's total defense budget proposal.

The report was requested by the Department of Defense under President Obama. Trans people were only allowed to serve openly starting last year.
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Researchers from RAND used much lower numbers to estimate transgender-related health-care costs, putting the total ranks of active transgender service members between 1,300 and 6,600 and concluding that only about 130 might seek gender-related surgeries. But even if the number of transgender service members is closer to the Williams Institute's estimate, the cost for their medical care would be a negligible share of the military's total health budget.

The Veterans Health Administration pays for pre- and post-operative care for transgender service members but not for gender-confirmation surgery itself. The military began paying for that surgery last year through Tricare, the health plan for troops and their families. This month, Congress narrowly rejected proposed legislation from Representative Vicky Hartzler, a Missouri Republican, that aimed to stop the military from providing transgender-related medical care.

Trump's declaration on Twitter doesn't stop it, either; it would take an executive order or some other official action to change the practice. "The tweet obviously is not policy," says Evan Young, president of the Transgender American Veterans Association and a retired Army major who served for 14 years and completed his transition after leaving the military. "It is the president tweeting whatever he feels like he wants to tweet."

Beyond the military, more health insurers are covering medical care related to gender transitions. Medicare, the federal health insurance program for people 65 and over, refused to cover gender-confirmation procedures until the exclusion was struck down in 2014; coverage is now determined on a case-by-case basis. Medicaid programs in 12 states and Washington, D.C., must explicitly include gender transition care, according to the Movement Advancement Project, a research group that promotes equality for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people. More private employers are expanding medical benefits to cover transition-related care as well.
Some health economists have made the case that it's cost-effective, meaning the benefits to society outweigh the costs. If all insurers covered medically necessary services, including hormone replacement and surgery, it would add just 1.6¢ to the average monthly health insurance premium, according to an analysis published in the Journal of General Internal Medicine last year that modeled the potential costs and benefits of expanding such coverage.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...w-many-trans-people-serve-in-the-u-s-military

 

The mentally ill should not serve in the military.

 

Then by all means, Ensign, do the country a favor and keep your bigoted arse out of the military.

 

We should let those who are actually qualified to judge which transgender person is and isn't suffering from a "mental illness" make that determination on an individual basis.

 

I agree. What does that have to do with transgender individuals?

 

The military is way too urban, we were looking out for your best interests as a bigoted white guy.

 

They are mentally ill (and as Gaga pointed out, likely suicidal).

In the same way someone who thinks they are a cat is mentally ill.

I bear them no ill will, but the military is no place for someone in that condition.

 

Well....they are mentally Ill. That's how it has to do with them. That said, like pretty much all mental illnesses, there's a spectrum. Not every person with transsexualism is so affected by it that they couldn't conform to military standards so I think those types should continue serving, but those so affected by transsexualism that they would freak out if referred to by their biological sex or even so bad as to require treatment that would make their exterior appearance match their delusion....those should absolutely not be serving.

There's no lack of volunteers and those with severe transsexualism likely only make up less than half of those with transsexualism which in itself is a fraction of a percent of the population so excluding them is honestly no big deal.

Honestly it was a bigger deal when the Army was cracking down on the tattoo policy and forcing people out....of course no one cared then because it didn't further a political narrative and we know that's the only time when those freaking out about this policy even pretend to care about those in the military.