Trump Signs Order to Restrict Refugees from 7 Countries But Not Saudi Arabia

So you think the US should shut down immigration because you don't know what's going on? Your ignorance is your own - it has nothing to do with US policy.

 

When I cross customs using global entry along with others using global entry that have green cards they don't need visas because of course that is how the law works. If someone has both they really need to be stopped to find out what is going on. You seem stupid.

 

Member when Obummer was all like "JV team"?

How embarrassing for the incompetent nincompoop

 

Tell you how recent this was (Jan 2016). But a few things.

Obama admin was not in favor of this bill, but because it's part of the must pass budget bill, it sailed through without issue.

Bill was sponsored by tea party member Candice Miller. It waived the visa waiver program which allow nationals of certain countries that we trust (mostly Europe) to enter the US for 90 days without needing to obtain a visa, if they visited one of those 7 countries since 2011, or if they hold dual citizenship with one being one of those 7 countries. Instead, they would need to go through a visa application to enter the US.

Why did Congress included those 7 countries but not others - same questions was brought up then. Probably because of a combination of established business and diplomatic ties, political (including Iran), and security. But of course that doesn't answer the criticism that the most deadly terrorists attack are from countries not included in the 7. But still, a little bit more paperwork isn't that controversial for some additional scrutiny by the state dept.

A ban is so different. You still have the same criticism - how is this about security when you are excluding countries that did the most damage while ignoring the fact that refugee from the included countries have done 0 attack on the US (refugee vetting has worked)? Worse, you are directly impacting refugee, the folks that most needed help.

The simple answer is that the US has done a darn good job on who they let in since 911. This ban is based on ignorance, fear and hate, without care for those that need help.

And the kicker? If you look at the Islamic terrorists attack in the US since 911, you see that all of them are US citizen who were radicalized through internet, hate group or hate preachers. There is little doubt that Trump's actions and message will be used by Islamic extremists to radicalize more US citizen.

The unfortunately reality is where the US hasn't done a great job - stopping hate message from influencing US citizen, is where we are increasing getting worse at.

 

State sponsors of terrorism: Iran; Sudan
Civil war and Islamist insurgency: Syria; Libya; Yemen
Islamist insurgency: Somalia; Iraq

Also, except for the two state sponsors of terrorism, these countries have weak central governments - Yemen's president is currently in exile.

 

You're a logical guy.

Explain the logic, on purported anti terrorist grounds, of excluding Iraqis and Somalis - many of whom were literally in transit while this occurred, while giving Saudis and Pakistanis a pass.

Good luck.

 

Not the best worded sentence but what I meant was immigrants with green cards or living here through visa are being prevented from coming back to the U.S. because #reasons.

 

BREAKING:
Federal court halts Trump’s immigration ban

http://www.theverge.com/2017/1/28/14427086/federal-court-halts-trumps-immigration-ban

 

don't you love it when theverge is breaking news

 

I don't see the difficulty. There are other political/economic circumstances that could make bans on those countries more difficult to enact.

 

....The veto of that bill had nothing to do with not being able to sue Saudi Arabia because of the 9/11 attacks. The vetoing of that bill has nothing to do with this matter.

 

I didn't ask if you could see what could be the "difficulty"- I asked for the logic.

 

You understand that "people with green cards and visas" refers to two separate groups of people, right? Again, your own lack of understanding is not a good reason to change US policy.

 

Terrorism is bad. Immigrants from Muslim countries are more likely to commit terrorist acts in the US. The more immigrants from Muslim countries we can "ban", the less likely a terrorist attack will be committed. Where would you say the logic breaks down?

 

Big Demonstration at the Houston International Airport.
Another one called for tomorrow at 1:00 pm at Discovery
Green.



resistance growing to Trump growing.

 

Because it's faulty logic. You're assuming all those statements are true.

 

Point #2.

 

So . . . did we conclude that the countries that are not on the list . .. . which happen to be countries where he does business
Is just coincidence?

Rocket River

 

Without evidences, I think that should be the assumption. Conveniently coincidence.

I think it's already the case that conflict of interest isn't a bad thing with Trump. Doesn't matter that he enriches himself, his families and friends - his voters largely don't care. Should continue to point them out as they occurs, but politically, it probably means jack, including Congress turning a blind eye toward it when there are evidences.