[Tilman Financial Troubles] Shams: Rockets not comfortable going deep into tax

Then we should offer more. Morey may have, for all we know. If Covington is folded into the Westbrook trade, Minnie could end up with significant savings on their cap, plus a $10 million TPE, plus a 1st and possibly a 2nd round pick. Not insignificant. That’s been discussed as a possibility here in different threads. I’ve talked about it some myself. Again, we don’t know what Morey is attempting to do, but Russ has yet to sign a contract.

Maybe we should wait and see what plays out before throwing people in the organization under the proverbial bus. Maybe nothing happens, maybe a lot. We just don’t know.

 

Not surprised at all since Tilman would have to pony up an extra 20 mil to afford him for one year.

But if we're really going to head into repeaters tax starting next year then why aren't we going all in?

The West is wide open this year after KD left the Warriors and our window is literally the next 2 years.

If we don't end up getting Iggy, it'll be very telling of Tilman once again.

And TWolves aren't just going to trade RoCo to us for Shump and picks unless we give them at least 2 first rounders. Even then, it's unlikely. They want to make Towns happy right now and trading away more solid role players will just make him demand a trade out.

 

Carl was right! Tilman is broke!

 

It is official.... we suck! Starts with the owner!

 

Iggy would cost $37m... That's a no for me... Roco or K-Love seem legit..

 

We're approaching this in a negative, unproductive manner. Let's make a public pledge to eat at Saltgrass Steak House or any of Fertitta's dining and entertainment establishments every weekend until he makes up what he loses in this tax.

 

tilmen shills really here shopping for a discount deal on a championship

 

"Aww so close! Thats just out of my price range"

 

The point here is not if we send a first or not.
The point is that the owner hurts the chapionships chances because he doesnt want to invest more money.
He did that last year with Ariza and at the trade deadline after giving a 1st to go under the Luxury tax, he made the promise to spent this year.

 

I don't think anyone should pay $37M for Iggy. For that price point, you need to be getting a player that moves the needle way more. Now if this was for RoCo, that would be a much different story.

 

The chance the Rockets acquire is close to zero, since Covington (28 yrs olds 3/36mil) is on a great contract and fits perfectly with just about any good team in the league.

The most the Rockets can offer in terms of asset for Covington is two first round picks, both of which are likely to be in the 20's, since the only picks the Rockets can trade is limited to those PRIOR to the 2023 season. Harden will still be under contract and 33 yrs old in 2022.

The T-wolves have little incentive to trade Covington for two late first round pick when they are well over the cap and under the luxury tax. Trading Covington gets them close to 20 million under the cap in 2020, nice... but not close to enough to offer a max deal to anyone even IF there was any available star to sign (There isn't). Covington was a topic in trade talks, only because the Wolves were floating him in order to move up in this past draft. Rumor has it, he will be the centerpiece of the Wolves offer to GS for Deangelo Russell.

Furthermore, if their motive is cap space, the Wolves will look to move teague, Dieng and "they wish" Wiggins, well before they move Covington... who's the only good player on the squad aside from Karl Anthony Towns. And unless they want Towns to request a trade in a year or two, they'd probably want to surround him with at least 1 good player on the team.

Covington aside, the Rocket's would benefit greatly IMO if they could trade for Iggy, but a 1st round pick may be too costly and who really knows about Tilman's willingness to go over the tax. Jae Crowder would also be a good pickup IMO. He's a versatile and tough defender with a decent shot and more importantly in regards to everyone worrying about Tilmans expenses... his contract is only 7 million or so. Crowder wouldn't require a 1st nor would he require trading anyone out, as he would fit perfectly into the Westbrook/CP3 trade.

 

Who knows, but if the theory is right, then they should go after a hypothetical trade of Gordon + a maxed before BYC Shumpert, for RoCo and Dieng, no? 2 expiring deals, one decent, if inconsistently great player, for one contract that's been an albatross for the Wolves since they signed it, and RoCo. That's a 26 million ish dump, and Houston would probably throw in a pick or two. Houston gets the best player, and a big of dubious quality. He can probably spell Chandler from time to time. "And thabeet goes on..."

But I'm with the posters who don't think Fertitta has any intention of using Shumpert's Bird rights to improve this team.

 

I mean, Igoudala is 35 years old so it makes sense as to why there might be some hesitation. Is he really the difference in winning a championship? I don’t think so....

 

85 million https://www.businessinsider.com/leslie-alexander-sold-the-rockets-2017-9

Which went a lot further in 1993 than now, but still.

Compound appreciation is a hell of a thing, isn't it?

 

I'm mostly worried about his age. Guys like this are valuable until they're not, look at Nene. In 2017 he was giving us like 25 minutes a game in the playoffs and even had that one game with perfect shooting where he scored like 30 points against the thunder. Then the next year he gave us like 10 minutes and 3 points per game. I don't think anyone is doubting Iggys value up until now. If we could magically guarantee that there would be no decline and we could get this years Iggy again next year, then sure, that would be one thing. But there's a real possibility he's a total dud when he gets here.

There's also the issue of how much he would care with this team. He's spoken publicly about how much he loves Steph, how he would take bullet for him, and how Steph is the reason he plays so hard and blah blah blah. He even said in an interview recently that he played injured just for Steph. Will he have that same fire playing in Houston? I really doubt it.

 

you can also apply that same possibility to alot of players. going by what we just saw a few weeks ago, he does still have the capability of being a impact player, especially at the most critical times.

He's also spoke publicly about how impressive the rockets were when they recruited him. is that all that really surprising that iggy has that much praise for steph. hes gone to war with him for years and won mutiple ships. that bond was made a long time ago.

whats the alternative then? if the alternative is to bring in a bunch of min players and expect them to have the same ceiling as iggy then I definitely prefer to have Iggy easily

 

Call me stupid but I don't think paying the tax for Iggy is the issue for Tilman. The issue is paying the tax for Iggy this year and then also be left without a successor for if/when he retires after next season. Then you're back to square one in needing to find a starting-caliber SF in the market with little cap space. Which is why Covington has been mentioned. He won't be a free agent until 2022 and should be our starting SF, barring any catastrophic injury or decline, until then.

You end up paying ~$37 million to acquire the right to have Iguodala on your team for ONE year, also coughing up a 1st rounder, and then have to go back into the free agency market next summer to find his replacement? No thanks.

 

Okay thanks haven't heard that. Still seems fishy somehow. Seems like you move everyone but RoCo and KAT to remake the team, or at the very least move him with bad money to get off salary (Dieng?). Maybe that's the hold up?

EDIT: typos

 

So . .
1. Rockets are pursuing Iggy
2. Iggy will cost them 20 mill in Luxury Cap
3. They still pursuing Iggy
4. Tilman is cheap because he don't want to go into the Luxury Cap??????


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