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The Trump effect. Saudi Arabia cut ties with Qatar after meeting with Trump regarding terrorism

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fchowd0311 said: ↑

Terror attacks on Western soil committed by Shia based terror groups backed by Iranian mullahs in the past 10 years - *crickets*
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I guess it depends on whether or not you consider Israel part of the West. Hezbollah is designated as a terrorist organization by the State Department if I recall correctly. Certainly the United States and Europe seem to be getting hit more by Sunnis though.

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Another Muslim relationship we don't understand

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pgabriel said: ↑

Another Muslim relationship we don't understand

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Oh the leftists understand very well. They know everything.

#23 Space Ghost, Jun 5, 2017
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Oh the leftists understand very well. They know everything.
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Unnecessary. We had an entire thread going in which no one insulted anyone... and then you come with this. Can't complain about the liberals when you're equally guilty.

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What evidence do we have that the Saudi government personally are financing Islamic terrorism? The only thing we know is that bothe house of saud and Islamic terrorists share the same sect of islam.

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RocketsLegend said: ↑

What evidence do we have that the Saudi government personally are financing Islamic terrorism?
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You should ask the donald

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The $1bn hostage deal that enraged Qatar’s Gulf rivals

Qatar paid up to $1bn to release members of its royal family who were kidnapped in Iraq while on a hunting trip, according to people involved in the hostage deal — one of the triggers behind Arab states’ dramatic decision to cut ties with the government in Doha.

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those middle eastern royalties sure have some strange choices for vacations. in addition to the hunting trip mentioned in your article, some members of the UAE royal family was killed by a Houthi anti ship missile strike while basically pleasure cruising around Yemen

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btw, before anyone tries to pass this off as another MSM or leftist attack on Trump, this article originally appeared in The American Conservative magazine...

Trump made a terrible blunder on Qatar in just 3 tweets

Then Trump pops off this morning and effectively endorses what the Saudis, UAE, Bahrain, and Egypt have done. That makes it less likely that there will de-escalation. Once again, there appears to have been no consultation with his top Cabinet members before making this statement, and I find it hard to believe that either Tillerson or Mattis thinks that Trump should have said this publicly right now (or at all). The Saudis et al. probably assumed that Trump’s Riyadh speech gave them a tacit green light to do what they wanted, but Trump’s latest remarks must have removed all doubt that they have Washington’s support to blockade and starve Qatar into submission.
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The more worrying thing about this statement is that Trump’s opinion of Qatar’s activities seems to be guided entirely by what other leaders told him about their government. Last month in Riyadh, Trump boasted that the U.S.-Qatari relationship was “extremely good” and that he and the emir would be discussing the purchase of “beautiful military equipment” made in the U.S. That was unfortunate in its own way, but it shows how different Trump’s view of Qatar was a few weeks ago.
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As I said before, Qatar is responsible for supporting jihadist and Islamist groups abroad, but they are hardly the only government in the region that has done so. Judging from Trump’s statement, he is simply taking Qatar’s neighbors at their self-serving word and he is letting himself–and the U.S.–be used to legitimize their vendettas. That bodes ill for this particular crisis, and it also shows how easily regional clients can shape U.S. policies during Trump’s presidency. Trump’s first statement has stunned many observers with its sheer recklessness and incompetence.
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In addition to being remarkably credulous about the commitments made at Riyadh, Trump is so eager to claim that his visit was a success that he is trying to take credit for an avoidable and potentially dangerous regional crisis that may undermine a U.S. war effort and might possibly even put Americans at risk. It would almost be comical if it weren’t so serious.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-qatar-mistake-how-could-hurt-the-fight-against-isis-2017-6

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NewRoxFan said: ↑

btw, before anyone tries to pass this off as another MSM or leftist attack on Trump, this article originally appeared in The American Conservative magazine...

Trump made a terrible blunder on Qatar in just 3 tweets

http://www.businessinsider.com/trumps-qatar-mistake-how-could-hurt-the-fight-against-isis-2017-6

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Jesus Christ you people can't stop b****ing, can't you? We've already surpassed the amount of complaints right wingers made about Obama and we're not even 6 months into Trump's presidency. Donald Trump just convinced the Arab world to cut ties with a country that sponsors terrorism thus putting a large amount of pressure on them. How do you manage to make this into a negative? It's a known fact that Qatar sponsors terrorism, it's even in Hillary's hacked emails. We also have troops all over the Middle East. We're not losing out on anything.

#30 RocketsLegend, Jun 6, 2017
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Jesus Christ you people can't stop b****ing, can't you? We've already surpassed the amount of complaints right wingers made about Obama and we're not even 6 months into Trump's presidency. Donald Trump just convinced the Arab world to cut ties with a country that sponsors terrorism thus putting a large amount of pressure on them. How do you manage to make this into a negative? It's a known fact that Qatar sponsors terrorism, it's even in Hillary's hacked emails. We also have troops all over the Middle East. We're not losing out on anything.
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The Arab world cut ties with Saudi Arabia?

This is political infighting brother. It has nothing to do with Saudi having a desire to combat Sunni extremism. Don't be so naive.

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Jesus Christ you people can't stop b****ing, can't you? We've already surpassed the amount of complaints right wingers made about Obama and we're not even 6 months into Trump's presidency. Donald Trump just convinced the Arab world to cut ties with a country that sponsors terrorism thus putting a large amount of pressure on them. How do you manage to make this into a negative? It's a known fact that Qatar sponsors terrorism, it's even in Hillary's hacked emails. We also have troops all over the Middle East. We're not losing out on anything.
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Here's the twitter address of the writer of the analysis of Trump's Qatar blunder... https://twitter.com/DanielLarison

I am sure you will impress him with your strong knowledge of foreign affairs (especially in the Middle East) and will convince him how wrong he is and how he better stop b****ing about Trump.

Me, sure seems that the Senior Editor at The American Conservative presented a pretty compelling argument that Trump screwed up again. But hey, you might just be smarter...

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btw, Daniel Larison twitter feed is a gold mine today regarding Trump and Qatar.

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Do you actually think this is good? You know that the states blacklisting Qatar are in fact the real sponsors of terrorism and ISIS?

Right now Trump is actively handing huge sums of money and weapons to states which support the very terrorism you're afraid of.
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So a **** nation like Saudi who supports terrorism...and then we sell them like $300 Billion in weapons to fight terrorism...somebody somewhere has a good incentive to keep the Middle East one giant cluster ****.

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fchowd0311 said: ↑

The Arab world cut ties with Saudi Arabia?

This is political infighting brother. It has nothing to do with Saudi having a desire to combat Sunni extremism. Don't be so naive.
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At one point you have to think RocketsLegend is a 100% troll, even the biggest Trump supporters know tha Saudi Arabia is the world's number one sponsor of terrorism. Even the other Trump dickriders are staying out of this thread for a reason.

#36 Yung-T, Jun 6, 2017
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Real Conservatives are much more unhappy with Trump than liberals:

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Apparently Trump's own Pentagon people, well, how did RL put it, "can't stop b****ing" about Trump's Qatar blunder either. Must really suck to work for Trump...

Pentagon can’t square Trump comments on Qatar

The Pentagon on Tuesday said it could not square President Trump’s tweets about Qatar and terrorism with its own statement about the country’s enduring commitment to regional security. “I can’t help you with that,” Pentagon spokesman Capt. Jeff Davis said in response to a question about reconciling the president’s social media remarks and Department of Defense comments about the U.S. ally. “I will only tell you that we have, with regard to our bases there, continued presence in our operations.”
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http://thehill.com/policy/defense/336555-pentagon-cant-square-trump-comments-on-qatar

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Jesus Christ you people can't stop b****ing, can't you?
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We people can stop b****ing if the president will quit monumentally screwing up via Twitter and every other known form of communication, be it groping, speaking, or typing. Seriously, he got praise on the few barely competent things he's done -- in fact, more praise than a normal person because it's like praising a puppy that doesn't poop on the rug.

I was so ready to be pleasantly surprised by this President I did not vote for. But he only tries to represent (and rile) his base, about 25% or less of the American public, and he is constantly blundering on twitter, about as bad as the worst imaginable BBS poster. It is a disgrace and embarrassment, almost daily, for America. Nevermind Qatar, we had to have would-be ultra-conservative Trump ally May today scolding the Donald about his tweets on London.

You complain about complaining, but this kind of crap has literally never happened before with a U.S. President. Nothing even close. Misunderstanding major issues, insulting allies almost daily.

I know your boss loves it, but I hope someone can convince POTUS #45 to quit tweeting on foreign policy. The problem is that (actual president) Bunyon likes anything that weakens or confounds any of our international ties. He's loving all of this crap, you better believe it.

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