The Presidents of Harvard, MIT, Penn, Columbia, Cornell, Penn should be forced to resign

Of course...no idea in action

 

True bad faith narratives do but there are bad faith narratives in both sides of this issue. That’s why I continue to say they many have simplified it.

 

Good news is that all those years of active shooter drills due to bloodthirsty sociopathic right wing gun obsession will pay off when this generation of bloodthirsty right wing aspiring fascist sociopath political leaders unleash their SWAT teams because college don't allow allow too much free speech

 

But woke people don’t have faith
These woke white people and blm protestors don’t believe in Islam

they are basically atheists who can’t do math or definitely geography

Wakanda ain’t a real country
And neither is Palestine

Unless these kids really want to learn how to dig tunnels they better leave the Jewish kids alone
Cause they will be their bosses in the future

@tallanvor
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@Salvy
@ROXRAN
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@Salvy

the video of the kids going to McDonald’s to protest Gaza

And how is this related to Israel ?
The Jews and the Muslims don’t eat McRibbs
Dummies

 

To respond to a few things brought up on the last couple of pages.

1. Biden supports Israel and as far as I can tell always has during his political career. That’s why it’s laughable when those in the Right paint him as being anti-Israel or antisemitic. The fact is his administration has greatly materially supported Israel and very likely could be the administration that has given the most material support to Israel.

2. Biden is concerned that the situation with Gaza will have spillover effects to both his own reelection and to wider regional stability. That is why he has criticized Israel and said that Israel should restrain themselves. This though hasn’t translated into actually cutting material support.

3. Most of the US including a majority of Democrats in more sympathetic to Israel than they are to Palestinians. This isn’t a matter of which side is morally right just a political reality. Biden cannot please all sides and just from raw political calculus (besides his own feelings) is not going to abandon Israel.

4. The right of free speech does include chanting “Death to America!” This like flag burning is one of those issues mistaking the principle of free speech from the content of the speech. We see that frequently though in these type of debates where people argue for free speech when it comes to content they agree with but then claim content that they don’t isn’t free speech. I would say much of this thread is that.

4. Speech has to be differentiated from actions along where speech is particularly targeted at individuals. This was a big point during the George Floyd protests. Yes protests against police brutality is a right including “FU(% THE POLICE!” Burning and looting stores during a BLM protests isn’t. In this current situation there are fine lines that have been crossed. A protest even chanting antisemitic statements is a right. Specifically targeting a Jewish student or business by surrounding them or following them and calling them a “murderer!” Would be harassment. The same would apply to pro-Israeli protesters who did that to a Muslim student or to a shwarma business.

 

Yeah I really don’t understand why folks who are smart and normally objective would want to jump into a good buy bad guy narrative that is attempting to be created here.

The fact is there are many well meaning protestors here who really just care about seeing an end to the Palestinian people’s suffering and also want to see an end to antisemitism.

However you cannot be naive to not understand that there also is propaganda being pushed by Middle East actors with an agenda here to push they wants to see the west drop support for Israel so their country’s proxy’s can attack them and dissolve the Israeli state. Many folks on my side of the isle need to think a bit more about contextualizing instead of being suckered into a black and white outrage response.

 

They need to build a bunch ark of the covenants and put them near the students

Moses for the win
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Many of those here who were up in arms against the allegations that the admin pressured social media platforms to suppress anti-COVID-vaccine sentiments are now openly supporting government efforts (from Congress and wishing to see much more of it from the admin) to suppress student activism and protests.

 

Good overview of how we got here.

The Crackdown on Student Protesters

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/podcasts/the-daily/the-crackdown-on-student-protesters.html

Columbia University has become the epicenter of a growing showdown between student protesters, college administrators and Congress over the war in Gaza and the limits of free speech.

Nicholas Fandos, who covers New York politics and government for The Times, walks us through the intense week at the university. And Isabella Ramírez, the editor in chief of Columbia’s undergraduate newspaper, explains what it has all looked like to a student on campus.

 

Shut up. Seriously.... You are German. You have no credibility here to label anyone as the "bad guys".

Reminds me of this bit here from the late great Norm:

 

The original guy complained about a “double standard” because no one would accept language like “lynch Blacks” or “burn gays”. That is the argument I’m responding to.

Are some of these protesters calling for or cheering on violence against Israel? Yes, certainly. And it is fine to criticize that — particularly when that violence would be directed against civilians. But even in that case, there is a legal difference between chanting support for terrorist actions in the context of military conflict (as objectionable and reprehensible as that is) and “literal” hate speech in which one is calling for members of a particular racial, ethnic, or sex group to be killed.

It is a cheap rhetorical trick to equate that with “kill the Jews” (meaning kill anyone on account of them being Jewish) and then claim there is a double standard because people aren’t condemning it as harshly as they would if they calling for some other minority group on the campus. It is a particularly ridiculous argument given that some among the protesters are themselves Jewish. There is no chance that black or gay students would be involved or welcomed in a protest where people are chanting for their death.

The sad thing about all of this is with these anti-protesters trying desperately to cast these protests as threats to Jews on campus (in their zeal to defend Israel), they are largely contributing to Jews on campus feeling unsafe and unwelcome.