The Increasing Urbanization of the Toyota Center Entertainment Experience

dmoneybangbang · Dec 19, 2014

J Hard said: ↑

Then what the h3ll do you call it?

Every race imitates it, Black dance movements and rhythms are derivatives of every other races dances, although not done as well.

I'm over the elementary petulant child-like bashing of my Culture.

How are you any way mature? Irony at its finest, you sound like a teenager but shamefully, I'm sure you're in your 40's. Either way you're child-like. Guess who's getting the ignore button?
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LOOLOLZ... The dude is entitled to his open.... and you to yours.... If your culture is nothing but hip hop and dancing then you can understand why people make those type of comments.... Perhaps you don't get it.

across110thstreet · Dec 19, 2014

I read page 1, lol'd at the OP, then skipped here to see if anyone pointed this out yet.

Aceshigh7 said: ↑

Successful, mature african-americans that I know are into that type of garbage.
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mine are too.

JoeBarelyCares · Dec 19, 2014

ron413 said: ↑

press play all you haters. RPD's are funky fre$h!

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That video is pretty strong. Please don't ban the booty dance, it enhances my Toyota Center experience. That is, if I don't forget my binoculars.

Seriously, we should be more concerned about the Toyota Center experience being had by our star players and prospective free agent signees. Morey needs to request a playlist from KD's agent, its not too soon to gear up for Summer 2016.

KlutchQT · Dec 19, 2014

Whew, some of you are willfully ignorant. LOL.

vlaurelio · Dec 19, 2014

dmoneybangbang said: ↑

If your culture is nothing but hip hop and dancing
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Is that your belief?

hlmbasketball · Dec 19, 2014

Aceshigh7 said: ↑

Okay, so, this isn't related to the product on the court, but to the actual game day experience at Toyota Center.

We are season ticket holders and have been for several years. We've observed a noticeable shift in the focus of the entertainment aspects of the fan experience. Whereas you used to hear little snippets of rock music as the team would walk up the court, that's almost entirely gone.

Regarding the power dancers, I don't know who is doing their choreography or choosing their routines now vs. years past, but there's been a huge drop off. It seems that nearly every routine now has them strutting around to some rap/hip-hop music and trying to look hard and tough. I don't particularly find it entertaining to see them come out in baggy pants, or doing the booty dancing that's so prevalent in the hood culture. I'm sure somebody involved with them thinks its a good idea but it looks pretty ridiculous to see these power dancers trying to emulate a backup dancer in a rap video.

I'm a supporter of diversity, but please let's be fair to all. Particularly, let's not marginalize those of us that make up the bulk of season ticket holders. My family and I are white and hispanic, and we really feel like, in trying to appeal to those enamored with hip-hop culture, the team has really stopped trying to resonate and identify with us.

Please don't label me racist for pointing these facts out, for it's not a racial issue. Even my successful african-american friends have mentioned that its a bit ridiculous and overboard at times. Successful, mature african-americans that I know are into that type of garbage. It's kind of disappointing that at a time when the team is on an upswing, the arena fan experience has suffered.
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Would you prefer Country and Western be the music of choice? Or maybe Classical? This is the new era for both younger Blacks and Whites alike.

Htown2200 · Dec 19, 2014

KlutchQT said: ↑

As a mature, successful, BLACK season ticket holder, I find your post both offensive and largely inaccurate.

First, your claim that this is not about race is a complete insult to my intelligence. Nearly everything you wrote is about race. Do you truly believe people are too dense to realize that "urban" and "hood culture" are merely euphemisms for "stuff those ghetto black folks like?" You felt compelled to point out that you and your family do not relate to "hood culture" (whatever that is) -- not because you just don't particular enjoy a certain style of music or dance -- but because you are White and Hispanic. Not about race though, right? And if it isn't about race, precisely who are you referring to when you say you feel the organization is marginalizing "those of [you] who make up the bulk of season ticket holders?" It certainly sounds as though you are referring to non-blacks. And though it's not about race, you throw in the obligatory, "Look, I even have black friends! But they're equally disgusted because they're not that kind of black. They're a different kind of black -- you know, mature and successful. They're not into the 'garbage' those other blacks are into." I mean, really. It could not be more obvious that this IS about race for you. It's ignorant, in my opinion -- but it's how you feel. Frankly, I'd be less offended if you stood in your truth.

As for the substance of what you posted, I simply don't see it. Aside from those horrid harem type pants (which are not the kind of "saggy pants" typically associated with "hood culture," but rather, a style of pants that unfortunately returned to prominence over the last few years among women of ALL races) -- the RPDs are usually scantily clad, as nearly all professional cheerleaders/dancers are. And sure, they usually perform hip-hop routines -- again, the norm in professional sports. What would you prefer? Ballet? Tap dancing? Do you take issue when those routines are performed to artists like Pitbull, Katy Perry, Meghan Trainor, Taylor Swift, or Justin Timberlake (because they frequently are)? Or does it only become offensive when performed to the music of an "urban" rapper?

As for the in-arena music, the songs I recall having heard most frequently/consistently over the past two seasons are "Timber," "Applause," "Welcome to the Jungle," "Dream On," and "Radioactive." None of those are "hood" by standards of people who think like you, as far as I know, and none by black artists. I can say with confidence that those are the songs that have been drilled into my head by TC over the past couple of years. You are 100% correct in that the players usually come out and warm up to hip-hop/rap -- and my best guess is that the arena cares less about what you find too "urban," and more about what music the players like to get fired up for the game. I'd imagine it's no coincidence that two of the most played songs during warm-ups the past couple of seasons have been that Nae-Nae song Dwight loves so much, and the Drake song that references Harden in its lyrics.

Unfortunately, I don't think there's anything the average Clutchfans poster can do to make your game experience less "urban." Perhaps you should contact Gretchen Scheirr in Retention and let her know that the Rockets' "hood culture" offends you and your White/Hispanic family members. That seems infinitely more logical than sharing your gripe with those without authority to de-urbanize the games, but perhaps that's just me.
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aprilnicole with the grand slaaaaaaam!!

Sanity2disChaos · Dec 19, 2014

Close this thread...

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Easy · Dec 19, 2014

Urbanization is not a problem for the NBA. Juvenilizaion is.

omgTHEpotential · Dec 19, 2014

I don't live in US and I find this thread highly amusing. From the ignorant first post, to the backlash that ensues.

OlajuwonFan81 · Dec 19, 2014

The OP might be a racist or he might just be pointing out that the overwhelming music at TC is rap, and he doesn't particularly like it.

Either way the point is still a valid one. You don't want 99% of the music at the arena to be one genre.

alethios · Dec 19, 2014

How is it that something that should be ignored as ignorant meanderings of a disgruntled fan gets so much play? Do we as a society really embrace race issues now, to the point of looking for them so we can postulate and pontificate?

MattM · Dec 19, 2014

Aceshigh7 said: ↑

Okay, so, this isn't related to the product on the court, but to the actual game day experience at Toyota Center.

We are season ticket holders and have been for several years. We've observed a noticeable shift in the focus of the entertainment aspects of the fan experience. Whereas you used to hear little snippets of rock music as the team would walk up the court, that's almost entirely gone.

Regarding the power dancers, I don't know who is doing their choreography or choosing their routines now vs. years past, but there's been a huge drop off. It seems that nearly every routine now has them strutting around to some rap/hip-hop music and trying to look hard and tough. I don't particularly find it entertaining to see them come out in baggy pants, or doing the booty dancing that's so prevalent in the hood culture. I'm sure somebody involved with them thinks its a good idea but it looks pretty ridiculous to see these power dancers trying to emulate a backup dancer in a rap video.

I'm a supporter of diversity, but please let's be fair to all. Particularly, let's not marginalize those of us that make up the bulk of season ticket holders. My family and I are white and hispanic, and we really feel like, in trying to appeal to those enamored with hip-hop culture, the team has really stopped trying to resonate and identify with us.

Please don't label me racist for pointing these facts out, for it's not a racial issue. Even my successful african-american friends have mentioned that its a bit ridiculous and overboard at times. Successful, mature african-americans that I know are into that type of garbage. It's kind of disappointing that at a time when the team is on an upswing, the arena fan experience has suffered.
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Troll!

Patience · Dec 19, 2014

alethios said: ↑

How is it that something that should be ignored as ignorant meanderings of a disgruntled fan gets so much play? Do we as a society really embrace race issues now, to the point of looking for them so we can postulate and pontificate?
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Well, the OP did bring race up himself, so nobody had to look very hard for the subject.

If the OP had just written his first three paragraphs and left off the rest, I don't think anybody would think too much of the post at all. But the racial discussion and stereotyping at the end... Doesn't take any postulating and pontificating to see the ignorance in that.

rockettes · Dec 19, 2014

stating facts is not racist

omgTHEpotential · Dec 20, 2014

rockettes said: ↑

stating facts is not racist
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Stating facts is not racist. Stating facts in a racist way is racist.

Easy · Dec 20, 2014

OlajuwonFan81 said: ↑

The OP might be a racist or he might just be pointing out that the overwhelming music at TC is rap, and he doesn't particularly like it.

Either way the point is still a valid one. You don't want 99% of the music at the arena to be one genre.
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rockettes said: ↑

stating facts is not racist
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OP could have just stated the fact that he didn't like the music they played. But he didn't. He added all that other stuff.

Who you are leaks around your words.

Buck Turgidson · Dec 20, 2014

Easy said: ↑

Urbanization is not a problem for the NBA. Juvenilizaion is.
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This

This right here

This is truth.

don grahamleone · Dec 20, 2014

The Power Dancers would look good doing the dance found @3 minutes. That wouldn't offend anyone, right!?

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If no one likes the above idea, you'll like this for sure. The Power Dancers could march in place!!!

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And if you want to get crazy:

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The OP is onto something. Once in a while, a few good old fashion hymns wouldn't hurt the Toyota Center too, ya know? My ideas could really get a lot of top level players wanting to come to Houston. Dueling Banjos could easily fuel 2-3 victories a year!

tmacman · Dec 20, 2014

ZNB said: ↑

Im not saying youre racist, it is funny you mentioned having an african american friend though lol.
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Not only that but that they are "successful" and "mature". This guys a dick.

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