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The future of the EU and the UK, post-Brexit

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  1. MojoMan

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    The Right Honorable Boris Johnson MP announces his new post Brexit Parliamentary legislative agenda.
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    The Queen has the leftover "constitutional" authority to say no however if she wants to keep the monarchy in the country she cant have a real say.

    The role of the throne is symbolic nowadays if they really start meddling with political affairs then there will be serious backlash.
    The Queen speaks what she is told to do by the government and neither the throne nor the government are above the law.

    Once the judicial authority in the country finds this move undemocratic and uncostitutional as an affornt to democracy it will be vacated as illegal.
    The Scottish courts first will have a hearing on 6 September and more courts are to follow against the coup.
     
  3. MojoMan

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    Uh huh. Please keep us posted on that, will you?
     
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    The only legitimate vote of the people is the elections which formed the parliament.
    The referendum had NEVER had any other role than advisory and there wasn't an option for no deal Brexit.

    By your own words, "the people have voted" you are saying that this is a coup, shutting down the voice of the people.
     
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    The king/queen have a ton of unilateral power, they just never use it by tradition. The queen technically can still refuse royal assent and block any law from parliment but the last time royal assent was refused (I looked it up) was in 1708 by Queen Anne.

    Approving the prorogue was basically a rubber stamp. Refusing it would have created a bigger kerfuffle than the prorogue itself.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_prerogative_in_the_United_Kingdom

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_assent
     
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    The basic difference with mainland European politics is the lack of a proper constitution.
    Without the protection of a consistution their democracy is vulnerable against authorative actions and coup attempts such as this.

    Like in all other democracies however the vote of the people is the MPs who represent them in the lower Parliament.

    It is very exciting that it has gone that far now so we can see the reaction of their political system.
    Will this move encourage them to join modern times and establish a constitution?
    Will they also clean out the leftovers of the empire within the House of Lords having members inherit the position from their parents, and priests having a vote?
    A very antiquated system is having a wake up call.
     
  7. malakas

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    I mean sure thing I can keep you posted, but with the way you are posting in this thread, I am sure you will find out first by yourself because it will make headlines.
     
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    Michael Fabricant MP said today: "If Parliament is prorogued on September 10th returning on October 14th for the State Opening of Parliament, it will be just 3 days longer than usual as there always is a Conference Recess in September for 3 weeks. This does beg the question: what would Parliament have done in those ‘missing’ three days that it could not do in the last three years? We have had the longest Parliament in 400 years so a State Opening is now long overdue."

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexi...es-to-let-boris-johnson-shut-down-parliament/
     
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    There is a full, completely unhinged, maximum volume meltdown in progress by the anti-Brexit crowd, with nothing being left in reserve.

    ‘Take to the streets!’ Labour MP vows civil disobedience over Johnson's Parliament plan

    LABOUR MP Clive Lewis has said police will have to drag him from the chamber of House of Commons if Boris Johnson succeeds in suspending Parliament ahead of Brexit.

    The Norwich South MP said he and others would fight to defend democracy and would urge Remainers to take the streets if the Prime Minister pressed ahead with his plans. He told followers on Twitter: “If Boris shuts down Parliament to carry out his no deal Brexit, I and other MPs will defend democracy. “The police will have to remove us from the chamber. We will call on people to take to the streets. We will call an extraordinary session of Parliament.”​
     
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    The majority of Great Britain's constituents don't agree with a no-deal Brexit. Also, a No-Deal Brexit is asking for a major economic recession in the UK that will disproportionately effect middle class and the poor while the wealthy accumulate their assets and run away. I can understand why people will enact desperate measures to prevent this. I hope you can understand it to.
     
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    I hope that this action by Boris Johnson today helps to facilitate the negotiation of a mutually acceptable "deal" between the UK and the EU, to be ratified in time to go into effect on October 31, 2019, when the UK leaves the EU.

    Unfortunately, they EU has been intransigent up until now and the deal that was previously negotiated was rejected by the UK Parliament three times. Now if they continue to be intransigent, there will eventually be a deal, it just will not be before October 31.

    As far as your hysterical assertions about what leaving without these legal arrangements in place for a while would mean, it is all establishment "Operation fear" nonsense. 'Fake news.' That is what it is.
     
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    Labour MP Kate Hoey has come out in support of the Prime Minister's move to prorogue Parliament.

    Brexiteer Hoey praises Boris’s ‘common sense’ Brexit plan - ‘Not a constitutional crisis’

    Maverick Labour MP Kate Hoey has poured scorn on colleagues lambasting Prime Minister Boris Johnson for his decision to ask the Queen to suspend Parliament - saying: “This isn’t a constitutional crisis - it’s just common sense”.

    Ms Hoey, a committed Brexiteer, was speaking after the Queen’s Privy Council approved Mr Johnson’s request. As a result, Parliament will be suspending in the second week of September, with a Queen’s Speech on October 14 - just 17 days before Britain is scheduled to leave the European Union.

    Ms Hoey, Labour MP for Tooting, told Express.co.uk: “The whole world is going bananas, as if it’s the greatest crisis ever. It’s important to remind people that Parliament voted not to sit from September 12 to October 9 anyway.​

    So, how many other members of the Labour party are going to refuse to oppose Johnson next week? If it is more than just a couple, then the Remainer resistance probably does not have much of a chance.
     
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    I still don't understand why Johnson decided to prorogue the parliament.

    It serves only to galvanise and unite the opposition.
    Now MPs who were previously thinking to sit back and see what happens will feel obliged to act immediately to protect democracy.
    Instead of trying to pass no deal slowly under their noses until it was too late for them to act, he has created by his own hands a political showdown involving the Speaker, the Queen and judges.

    There are protests in all major UK cities.







    If the Tory leader also quits as MP that will put the SNP in prime position to have the absolute majority in the scottish parliament and empower their demand for an independence referendum.
     
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    Oh Mr Fabricant must believe the public is too stupid to read the news, coming up with fraudulent arguments such as this.
    The opposition had already agreed first thing to vote to take away the conference recess just yesterday.
     
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    So shutting down Parliament is not a meltdown why?
     
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    Because prorogation typically happens every autumn and the Parliament is typically recessed during this period for the annual party conferences in the early fall. Of course this does deprive the opposition the opportunity to block or overturn those conventions, which they do not like. But the result is the continuation of the traditional, ordinary practices and processes, which is about as far removed from being a "meltdown" as you can get.

    No, it is your people that are coming unglued, as you understand very well.
     
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    My people?

    I have no dog in this fight.

    So the Queen is asked for this every year?
     
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    Typically, yes.
     
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    i just wanted to see if you would lie and you did.

    This is not typical to ask for specific date but as with your hero you obfuscate the facts.

    Typical.
     
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    Scottish judge refuses to halt plans to suspend Parliament

    A Scottish judge has refused to issue a temporary order blocking the suspension of Parliament next month. Lord Doherty ruled instead at Scotland’s highest civil court that a full hearing of the case, brought by a cross-party group of around 75 MPs and peers, could go ahead as planned next week.

    The group was seeking an interim interdict, the equivalent of an injunction in England, ahead of a hearing that was originally due to take place next Friday. Lord Doherty said he was not satisfied there was a “cogent need” for an emergency order and brought the "substantive" hearing forward to Tuesday without ruling on the strength of the group's legal argument.
     

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