[NPR] 8 Takeaways From The Trump-Ukraine Scandal Here are eight things that have become clear in this murky story and where politically this all might be heading: 1. The president of the United States solicited help from a foreign country to investigate a potential 2020 political rival, while withholding military aid to that country. 2. Trump and the White House are already trying to discredit the whistleblower. Expect more of that. 3. The whistleblower complaint raises a lot more questions Democrats might dig into. 4. Support for an impeachment inquiry has gone up. 5. Democrats will have to work to win over independents. 6. Still, the center appears to have moved. 7. The messaging fight is on. 8. We will likely know whether Trump will be impeached by the end of the year.
Man. Why even say this? Everyone knows it's true but to say this and to have it leaked it almost comical. Also the CIA and FBI destroying another president even if he has done nothing to help himself is still an awful and dangerous problem. Regardless of who is in office, leaking government conversations can lead to other countries further isolating the US. Just a terrible look all around.
Laughing at the people saying leakers are heroes here but snowden is satan. Or wikileaks is the worst.
Not actually a whistleblower... Also inaccuracies were in that report that was not first hand.... so yeah discredited indeed.
Do you think first-hand whistleblower is relevant when Trump himself as admitted to the actions that are a crime? Almost everything the whistleblower mentioned has since been corroborated. Whether or not the whistleblower's complaint was first-hand or not is only a matter if there is some question about their accuracy. There isn't. Trump's own words have confirmed much of the whistleblower's allegations already.
Our intelligence agencies have deemed Wikileaks a hostile foreign intelligence agency. They have been busted lying and pushing agendas which has moved from their original claim.
Leaking can be dangerous. Leaking information about criminal activity, however, is the correct and just thing to do. Also, Trump himself doesn't take securing classified information very seriously unless it makes him look bad.
Trump who has definitionally first-hand information has publicly admitted to the illegal and thus impeachable allegations. Trump has made the whistle blower irrelevant. At this point, any and all attacks on the whistle blower are just a diversion.
The illegal allegations against Trump were not inaccurate and in fact were confirmed by The Man with the Very Big Brain. Any inaccuracies outside of these ... are ... not ... relevant. If you cling to that which is not relevant, you risk making yourself irrelevant.
Yes, but it is hard for people to come to grips with the fact that they have been supporting a criminal for all this time.
The problem is that there hasn't been leaks just of criminal activity. There are leaks coming out about everything to seemingly undermine the presidency. Like the one about Russia being involved in meddling. There isn't anything criminal in that conversation just a very worrisome remark for the US public that he didn't think would ever come out. Or his conversation with the president of Mexico and Australian PM. Leaking that just made it seem like there was a prescidence to undermine his presidency. Doesn't matter who is in the office the leaking of information is a problem.
Douglas MacKinnon: Did CIA Deep State spy trigger Trump impeachment probe? Dangerous leaks like this must end https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/dou...-reported-cia-post-raises-troubling-questions Stay strong Trump.
I think that is a result of Trump surrounding himself with people who aren't qualified and encouraging a Battle Royale amongst his employees. It's also partially a result of Trump not knowing how to do his job, not understanding how Government works. It is wrong for people to leak unless they are uncovering illegal actions. But administrations that are run more professionally haven't had the same kind of issues with leaks.
If you watched the clip, Trump is the biggest leak and eyesore to our adversaries. They don't need to know second or third hand because they're experiencing it directly. Also, the man is quick to declassify sensitive secrets in order to make himself look better. He already exposes weakness and embarrassment to everyone else. He's just blocking and hiding that damage to the very people he swore to serve.
Put the whistle blower on trial... not the subject of the complaint who admitted to every single detail in the complaint. You guys are cowards and unpatriotic to the extreme. Again... move to Russia. In a Democracy, folks are allowed to speak out against wrong doing. That’s the whole point. Mick, Dach, and others are just mad that Trump got caught and are melting down. If Snowden would have caught Obama rigging the 2012 election against Romney not one person here would be saying it’s Snowden’s fault. Snowden put regular people’s lives in danger potentially. Thankfully there’s no evidence that it did cause that. He also could have exposed wrongdoing in a much different way and not gone through a Russian intelligence cutout. There’s also a lot of good that did come out of Snowden so I don’t really think what he did was that wrong... it’s just that it took some unnecessary risks and him jumping to Russia doesn’t help the perception of his actions. Id also like to see him brought back and given a very light conviction (possibly no jail time). So no... not the same. The Ukraine whistleblower is a Patriot and shows why we are a great nation where nobody is above the law, and how we are still not Russia for the time being. Snowden is a much different and complicated situation.
I really hate repeating myself but I notice dyoy never addressed this post and just went on regurgitating the same exact talking points. The thing is, every piece of incriminating evidence is already admitted by dumb and dumber(Trump and Gulliani). Trump admits he asked the Ukranian president to investigate Biden and his son. Trump admits that before the call he froze military aid to Ukraine. He has multiple contradictory excuses to why he did it but he readily admits it. Gulliani, a private lawyer of Trump's, with zero official capacity as a representative of the US government did go to Ukraine and hunt for dirt of Biden and his son and Trump readily admits that he told the Ukranian president to keep in touch with Trump's personal lawyer in this hunt to find dirt of a political opponent. Using Gulliani is even more open and shut evidence that Trump's motivation to find dirt on Biden is purely out of personal political self interest rather than US policy. Either Trump is that much of an idiot that he genuinely believes what he has done is perfectly legal hence why he brazenly admits to it or he believes that putting it out there so brazenly will convince his base that it must be legal because no sane human would self incriminate themselves so readily Btw, the Director of national intelligence explicitly states that the whistleblower did the honorable thing and used the proper channels and reported accurate information in his testimony. The Whistleblower's complaints match perfectly with what Trump administration has already admitted to through Trump's own mouth in in press briefings and with the released summary of the transcript of the conversation between Trump and the Ukrainian President. I already replied this to you. You ignore it and regurgitate the same exact talking points.
Are you specifically referring to the recent reporting of the POTUS telling Russian that he doesn’t care they interfered in our election? I think that info being made public is justifiable for many reasons... 1- The POTUS publicly denied that the Russian interfered. He lied to the American public. When a POTUS purposely lied about a foreign power interfering in our election, the public should be made aware of the lie. 2- It is in the interest of the US to not allow foreign interference. The POTUS not caring about this is against the interest of the US. When the POTUS is against the interest of the US due to a particular event, that event should be made aware to the public. 3- The Russian know these conversation can be politically damaging to the POTUS. When the POTUS take anti-American position and lie to the American public, that “secret” can be used to blackmail the POTUS. The public should be made aware of this vulnerability. if this is an illegal leak, the leaker should also face the consequences of that. But this overall strengthen the nation security, not weaken it. It remove the blackmail potential and it allow the public to have a clearer view on this POTUS antiAmerican position. ps. I agree the leak of the POTUS conversation with the Mexico PM weaken American position.
