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The Counter-Protesters of Charlottesville

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by durvasa, Aug 16, 2017.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Again, even if it were true which it isn't, it is a non-sequitur.

    Communism for the 5th time on this damn message board is a amoral economic system that makes no moral claims. There is no equivalency to Nazism as Nazism makes explicit moral claims on how to perceive and treat other humans that are not part of your 'tribe'.
     
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  2. fchowd0311

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    Communism is a unpragmatic solution but again, someone being pro communist doesn't really say much about their moral character.
     
  3. Bobbythegreat

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    Communism and Democracy are incompatible in that Communism is a totalitarian "dictatorship of the proletariat" which means "of the ruling party".
     
  4. Nook

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    His ideology isn't similar to communism.
     
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    Oh? He's not one of our resident Socialists? Well that's good to hear, but it sort of takes away that excuse for his actions and now the only thing left is ignorance which is all well and good. It would mean that he's not cynical in his defense of Communism.
     
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    You couldn't even make it 2 sentences without posting an outright lie. You seriously must be one of the least educated people alive.
     
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    Point out what you think it a lie kiddo. Is it that I said "no one"? When I said "no one" I was using it figuratively, not literally. The support for those groups is incredibly tiny, practically non-existent. Yes, I realize that they do exist, but when you compare the support and funding of Communist groups and other identitarian groups to that of Neo Nazi groups and white nationalist groups, they might as well not exist. There's simply no comparison.
     
  8. fchowd0311

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    See, we don't agree with you premise that Communists and BLM are equivalent to Nazis. You have to first reach that point of persuasion before moving on to your next premise or else you just sound like a babbling idiot.
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Meant to say this yesterday, but work kept getting in the way :)mad:). I don't really think defending people is any more defensible than instigating. The point of nonviolent protest is that you make yourself vulnerable and you dare your political opponent to resort to violence. That means it's risky to do. Having street thugs protect you undermines the moral strength of this form of protest.
     
  10. Major

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    This is the lie. I gave you the benefit of the doubt that you're not intentionally trying to minimize the groups - that's why I called you stupid instead of a white supremist apologist.
     
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    This is not remotely true at all. The point of non-violent protest is to not be violent and to make your voice heard peacefully. It is not at all to encourage/tempt/dare/etc the other side to attack you.

    Nonviolent protests have relied on and ask for police protection all through history. If you were right, they would have more actively been trying to put themselves in harms' way.
     
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    Why not both?
     
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    LOL, okay kiddo, find me some support for you notion that there is widespread support for white nationalist groups and Neo Nazi groups.

    I can tell you though, you are a hell of a lot more likely to run into this brand of hate on a college campus being spread without protest



    than any other.
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    Nonviolent protest makes you vulnerable. You don't have to get beaten up to claim victory. But if you're doing it with your eyes open, you should accept that's a risk.

    Police protection is different from antifa protection. I would argue having guys like antifa come to your nonviolent protest prepared to fight (even if they don't instigate) makes it not be nonviolent. Then it's just a protest, with all the moral ambiguity that entails.
     
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  15. Nook

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    I have seen very little research that supports the concept that Nazi's, KKK or Antifa are ANYTHING other than marginal groups with minimal support in the United States.

    What DID happen is that these extremist groups got an incredible amount of media attention for their extremist views. It is likely that all of these extremist groups will gain additional support as a result.
     
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    I don't know why we have to make moral equivalences between Antifa and Nazism? We can hold that opinion but why go with the layman cop out route of "EVERYONE IS THE SAME"
     
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    See, you're already changing your story. In just three posts, you went from "no one" to "incredibly tiny, practically non-existent" to needing evidence of "widespread support" for your claim to be wrong.

    Since when are college campuses the only thing we look at? And one twitter post of a random person that no one has ever heard of is your evidence?

    I retract my argument that you're just stupid stupid - this is willful deceit, which puts you in the white supremecist apologist category.
     
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    I had to clarify that my initial statement was not to be taken literally because you are slow, you then still called it a lie, so I asked you to provide evidence that I'm wrong.....and unsurprisingly, you didn't do so.

    I just told you that that sort of thing was much more common and it wouldn't be met with resistance because that type of racism is socially acceptable...would it have been more convincing if I had posted a dozen examples of the same thing?

    That being your baseless opinion is not surprising to me given that you are slow. I do pity you and those who have to take care of you.
     
  19. Major

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    No it doesn't. Every rally at the Texas capitol, for example, is a non-violent protest. I don't think anyone there is going into it thinking they are in any sort of danger or vulnerable. Non-violent protests just are protests where you try to make your argument with weapons or violence. While it sometimes does come with vulnerability, that is neither the goal nor the intent. If other violent people are there and outside of your control, that doesn't change the morality involved in your protest.
     
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    http://www.thedailybeast.com/how-many-nazis-are-there-in-america-really
    How many nazis (proudly proclaiming that name or hiding behind another) do you think there are in America? This was their big rally and it amounted to hundreds. Are there thousands? Tens of thousands? A million? 10 million? A hundred million?
     

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