I have no doubt that the counter protesters listed in the article were in attendance and I feel their pain and plight. Will there be a part 2 to this article or were these the only counter-protesters there? My updated C-Ville blame list.... 1. Nazis/ Neo Scum/ White Supremacists 2. Nazis/ Neo Scum/ White Supremacists 3. Nazis/ Neo Scum/ White Supremacists 4. Nazis/ Neo Scum/ White Supremacists 5. Nazis/ Neo Scum/ White Supremacists 6. Nazis/ Neo Scum/ White Supremacists 7. Nazis/ Neo Scum/ White Supremacists 8. Police for just standing by 9. Counter Protesters/ AntiFa 10. Trump
What I said SHOULD be fairly obvious. There's very few people who support Nazis or white nationalists, pretty much everyone is against them. I think that the causes of "both sides" have no merit. I'm still against radical Communist groups even though they are against Nazi groups.....especially given that they believe anyone who isn't a Communist is a Nazi. You don't have to support Commies just to be against Nazis, they are both awful people. No one said that being against fascism is radical, you are arguing with a strawman This would be the same as supporting the Nazis by saying "Being against Communism isn't radical. Being against Communism means you have a functioning moral compass. Being against Communism should simply be normal. Once upon a time in this nation, that was the case" Perhaps you are merely ignorant and supporting the violent Communist group because they are anti-Trump....but that kind of thinking will lead to you supporting ISIS too. Just because a group is against something you are against doesn't mean you should try to defend them. There's NOTHING good about groups like AntiFa, suggesting otherwise just makes an ass out of you.
Either this is sarcasm, or you need a refresher on WWII. Mussolini won in the end on a pitch of law and order. Hitler won on law and order. Franco won on law and order. The stupid communists running around Europe in the '30s were not making things better for anybody. They polarized and brutalized politics and made the case for right-wing dictators to be granted broad powers to enforce the peace. Now here is Trump calling himself the law and order candidate. Poeple think our modern-day communists are doing an ounce of good advocating '30s-style street brawls to oppose fascism? They are enabling fascism. If you carry a weapon to a demonstration, I have no respect or defense for you, I don't care who you "saved." You are not helping anyone.
Antifa gave the Nazi's and KKK exactly what they wanted........... tons, and tons of free media exposure for a small group of people that otherwise would not have had a way to appeal to such a large demographic. Antifa isn't nearly as evil at Nazis but they are STUPID.
The counter-protesters were not there to promote communism, so its kind of irrelevant to even bring that up even if I agreed that there is some moral equivalence between communism and white nationalism. You had one side who was there to promote white nationalism and the honor of a pro-slavery rebellion in a city that wanted nothing to do with them. You had another side who was there to oppose such promotion. That was the cause of both sides. You claim to be against identitarianism, but that's exactly what you're engaging in when you argue that no one should support the counter-protesters because they're just a bunch of "commies". I don't care about labels. I care about what they stood for on that day.
First of all, that's what AntiFa is "there for" every time they show up. You are insanely naive if you think otherwise. It's their primary cause. Secondly, there IS a moral equivalence between white nationalists/nazis and Communism....their body counts are incredibly similar and as such, both should be fought against. That's not true at all. Me rejecting all identitarian movements is nothing but me being consistent. I don't support it when they are white nationalists, I don't support it when they are black supremacists pretending to be fighting for civil rights, I don't support it when they are radical feminists, I don't support it when they are LGBTQHIJK activists. I straight up reject identitarianism. On top of that, I reject all violent extremists. I reject them when they are Communists, I reject it when they are Anarchists, I reject it when they are Muslims. I straight up reject violent extremism. It's kind of ridiculous that those would be considered radical positions on this far left board.
By most accounts not from Daily Stormer/Fox news alternate reality, the Nazi and Klan assholes were literally beating, macing and mauling the non racists, aka, the decent human beings. V This is not a bunch of Antifa's with baseball bats, these are priests, rabbis et in robes, and other passive resisters using nonviolent tactics. Some of them credited the antifascist resisters with saving their lives. God knows the police weren't doing anything. So, maybe STUPID but maybe also -NOT SO STUPID that more people were not slain by fascist shitheads.
Respectfully, this couldn't be any more wrong. There was a lot of opposition to the brown shirts. In fact, the Communists and anarchists were regularly brawling, blowing things up, committing terrorism and fighting the nationalists constantly. In fact part of the German hatred against Jews was based on the belief that Jews were more likely to be aligned with terrorism or lawlessness, which was a justification used by the Nazi party for their violence. Ultimately Nationalism trumped Communism based on the history and character of Germany being an authoritarian state prior to the downfall of the Monarchy.
I accept your ignorance and understand why you buy into AntiFa propaganda, but it doesn't make it right. Also, when you are quoting a Marxism apologist saying that the Marxists "saved his life".....yeah I can't really take that seriously, and no unbiased person should either. It would be like David Duke saying that the Neo Nazis were heroes for saving his life.
Agree. Don't mistake understanding for supporting. As I said, I'm always against violence as I think it's very counter productive (for many reasons, not just what you mentioned). This group is new to me. I initially automatically assume them as instigator. The few stories told were them defending, not instigating. I tend to still believe they probably were also instigating based on their history, but I'm not going to assume more until I read more about what happen.
That's a really good article and clarifies the real role of the antifa at Charlottesville. Thanks for posting.
Just more evidence that people need to speak out against AntiFa and why it was important for the president to mention them as well as the white supremacists and nazis that were causing violence. We have WAY too many people here trying to pass them off as some kind of heroes or benevolent group when the truth is that they are violent Communist extremists who have a long history of attacking innocent people and media for merely being near their violent protests.
It doesn't have to be a binary situation. Nazis are awful, pretty much no one disagrees, Communists are also awful but sadly many disagree with that which IMO is why it's even more important to bring it up. It doesn't deflect blame or scorn from one group to mention that another awful group is awful. If there was a gang war between the Russian mob and MS-13, would it be deflecting from one group to mention that both are absolutely terrible? Would you have to "pick a side"? Of course not, you would be able to speak out against both. What about if the white supremacists and nazis were out fighting ISIS in the streets? Would you side with one of them then? Would you feel like you had to excuse one of them to only attack the other? Like I said, when you think about it, the binary thinking model is just ridiculous. The only reason that people are against speaking out against both groups in this instance is that due to how far left the left has moved recently so many on the left are socialists and they feel a sort of kinship with the Communists even though they aren't necessarily full blown Communists themselves. If not for that, it would be considered acceptable to criticize both.
You have to keep the context here in mind. The Nazis came in force into a peaceable town, to create terror, with the Klan, holding torches shouting slurs at Jews, blacks and immigrants. They carried guns and stood outside a Jewish place of worship. Instead of dealing with hypotheticals, its important to look at what actually happened on the ground. Even if you wanted to attack the antifas, the majority of the people there were not antifas. So, yes the primary culprits here were undoubtedly the Nazis, and white supremacists. The antifas do not share equal blame. The article is clear on that. BTW, the antifas are not communists. There is plenty of literature on them on the internet. They have resorted to violence in opposition to the fascists. I do not see them attacking innocent people here in the US. To say the antifas are equally to blame amounts to deflection from the Nazis in my book.
So the people who organized the counter protest were not violent. They were not Antifa. They expected and were correct in that the far right, racist, Nazi protestors would become violent against them. The Antifa and others protected and saved the lives of non-violent counter-protestors like Cornell West. Antifa is not a non-violent group. They don't claim to be. They also weren't the ones who organized the counter-protest. They also weren't the ones who showed up with riot shields, helmets, and firearms. Those were the neo-Nazis... The ones who had one of their members commit a murderous terrorist act and kill someone. There was violence from both sides, the violence was not equal by any means. I don't like Antifa or approve of their methods. I do like anyone who saves the life of the hero, Cornell West.
You had 2 groups that showed up armed and ready to fight due to past incidents if only the party that was rightfully scheduled to march and protest had showed up, there would have been no violence. Instead, AntiFa showed up with weapons and attacked the other group....who knew that they'd be attacked and were armed as well. The fact that you deny AntiFa is even communist shows that maybe you aren't the most impartial here You'll find scenes like this any time AntiFa show up, they really are a violent radical Communist organization, sometimes Anarcho-Communist, but always Communist. They have a long history of violence against innocents including media just recording the marches....of course to them, everyone who is not a Communist is a "fascist" or a "Nazi", so that's how they excuse their actions....in fact I can tell you've bought into that propaganda, but it doesn't make it so.
