The Counter-Protesters of Charlottesville

That video pretty much sums it up.

 

Tactics over substance.

Instead of talking about whether or not white supremacy is a good thing or bad thing, we are arguing about what wouid amount to the same percentage of arrests (due to said tactics) that happen at an nfl game.

So I guess the only conclusion you can come to is that folks like Bobby and RL don’t want to discuss the substance of these protests. Shocking.

 

There is a difference between hostility and violently attacking the cops. You guys seem to always sugarcoat Antifa's action.

Why is the media so fixated with some neo nazi who lives in a trailer, in a town in the middle of nowhere? Why does the media constantly elevate these people? What’s their angle here? Why does Antifa who have shown to be much more disruptive never seem to get any coverage from the media? Why does antifa get a pass?

 

Its Antifa vs police in Charlottesville. Pathetic.

 

Sugarcoat... I said the guy who laid hands on the cop should have been arrested. That being said.... there’s no evidence that because this one idiot did something stupid he should be charged for, we should take that one video as a referendum for Antifa as a well organized and powerful threat to our democracy like you and your right wing hate media make it out to be to fit your whataboutism false narrative.

Why is the media fixated on neo-Nazis’... I dunno... maybe because we have a troubled history with race and the white supremacy movements. Hitler and the Nazi’s got many of their ideas from the American White Supremacy movement. Unless you think white supremacy now coming back in full force due to an American President and others peddling their propaganda, isn’t an issue at all, which is probably true given your undying support of king trump.

They should be irrelevant as seem to think they are but as long as half of the country still peddles this nonsense ....




It’s safe to say the other half should continue to speak out about the dangers of fueling race wars. Cold or hot.

You're right that the neo Nazi movement shouldn’t be eievated. So you should tell your media sources and your king Trump to stop giving them the less than subtle thumbs up that you agree with their ideology and peddle their propaganda.

 

media is struggling with their planned narrative because the Nazis failed to show up; only violence was from antifa against police and media

 

Yes, Sugarcoat! When you're spinning this argument into some kind of a right wing propaganda tactic you essentially excusing their action.

This is all fearmongering. The media is giving voices to a bunch of nobodies. The media obviously have an agenda and an ulterior motive by covering them so often. They're doing exactly what you're accusing the right doing in regards to Antifa.

 

Pretty much this

 

Pathetic

 

As more images and video emerge from the weekend, the "anti-hate" groups were embarrassing and very violent. Hopefully they are actually as rare as the white supremacists but I am afraid they are not.

 

As more carefully selected and edited videos of a few nutballs lead you to distrust whole huge swaths of your fellow citizens...

 

I didn't trust them to begin with but I digress. Why would NBC choose not to show their own reporter getting assualted?

 

This marks the 2nd anniversary of the death of Heather Heyer, killed by a Neo Nazi at a Charlottesville, VA rally.
Heather Heyer's murder became a symbol of the hate in America that only seems to be spreading.

But if you look at the federal hate crimes report, it's like it never happened at all.
the report shows no hate crime in Aug 2017.
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That's because the FBI's national statistics on hate crimes and annual report are deeply flawed. They are based on voluntary reporting from local agencies with differing definitions of hate crimes and can be riddled with errors.

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https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/us/c...-heyer-death-not-in-fbi-report-soh/index.html

 

Long article in the Chronicle that fleshes out the State (and country)’s largest white supremacist group.

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/ne...Headlines&utm_term=news&utm_content=headlines

One of the hate groups that demonstrated in Charlottesville was the neo-Nazi organization Vanguard America. At the rally, James Alex Fields, a white supremacist, plowed into a crowd of counter-protesters, killing Heather Heyer, 32.

After Heyer’s death, a Dallas-based member of Vanguard America, Thomas Rosseau, rebranded the organization to escape scrutiny. He called the splinter group Patriot Front.

Today, the group has at least 300 members, and Texas is home to its largest chapter, according to the Anti-Defamation League. Since 2018, Patriot Front has been linked to more than 870 reports of racist propaganda across the country: more than 40 percent of all such incidents in the country.

Patriot Front is the most visible white supremacist group in Texas, followed by the American Identity Movement, according to the Anti-Defamation League.

The social media accounts of both groups are flooded with images of propaganda. They post photos of posters on utility poles and stickers on road signs, each image stamped with the U.S. city in which it was taken.

One day after the El Paso massacre, the American Identity Movement tweeted an image of its logo on a poster outside the municipal building in Allen, Texas — the hometown of the El Paso shooter.

Both groups aim to recruit new members with patriotic language. Sometimes, their flyers aren’t overtly racist. Instead, the groups are trying to insert themselves into mainstream conservative politics, said Hill of the Anti-Defamation League.

Many of their flyers are printed in red, white and blue, with phrases such as “Reclaim America” and “NOT STOLEN CONQUERED.”

“I can only assume that it’s part of the optics to present themselves as American patriots, as opposed to white supremacists,” Hill said.

Erik Sailors, a Texas leader of Patriot Front, is a former Marine, according to The Daily Beast. Contacted by a reporter last week at his San Marcos home, Sailors cracked open the front door and looked out, then quickly shut the door.

In February, another member of Patriot Front with military ties, Joffre James Cross III, was arrested in Houston and charged with felony firearm possession.

Cross was an Army paratrooper at Fort Bragg in North Carolina in 2007 when he was accused of stealing body armor and drugs from the military and selling them to an undercover FBI agent, court records show. At the time, Cross was posting messages about firearms and explosives on white supremacist websites under the screen name “jagervonjuden,” or “hunter of Jews.”

That year, Cross told a confidential FBI informant that he would sell him the equipment for “the movement,” according to court records.​

 

He later pleaded guilty and was sentenced to six years in prison. After his release, he was arrested again when a search of his home turned up 11 Kevlar ballistic helmets and three sets of carriers for ceramic plates, a form of body armor.

‘Are you a Jew?’

In its current incarnation, Patriot Front seems to relish physical confrontation.

Last year in San Antonio, about a dozen members of Patriot Front — most of them wearing masks — appeared at an encampment run by the group Occupy ICE SATX. A video posted to Patriot Front’s website shows the men chanting, “Strong borders! Strong nation!” before knocking over coolers, chairs, tarps and a tent and setting off smoke bombs.

Patriot Front staged another demonstration last year in Houston at a meeting of Showing Up For Racial Justice, a nonprofit that mobilized in response to unrest in Ferguson, Mo., after a police officer killed an unarmed black man.

The group had gathered at a Houston bar to raise funds for undocumented families, said Kathy McDougall, a chapter coach for the organization.

“It was an outside space, which made us a little vulnerable,” McDougall said. “We noticed a group of people starting to congregate. After a while, they came over and approached us and started saying things like, ‘Are you a Jew?’ to people. And eventually they just interrupted the space and started chanting, ‘(Expletive) no borders,’ and a lot of them had ‘Make America Great Again’ hats.”

“It was definitely super-aggressive,” said McDougall, whose 10-year-old son hid behind her older daughter during the confrontation. “There was a lot of shouting. After it happened, they said that any time we met, they would be there.”

Last month in Denton, more than a dozen masked Patriot Front members emerged from the back of a moving van and massed in front of a bar with flags and flares, yelling, “Reclaim America!” The bar was hosting the North Texas Anarchist Book Fair at the time, according to the Denton Record-Chronicle.

Patriot Front also has descended on the Alamo.

In 2017, the group handed out flyers to passersby on the River Walk. In polo shirts and khakis, about a dozen masked men organized in front of the Alamo, yelling the Nazi slogan, “Blood and Soil!”

It isn’t the only hate group to center on the Alamo. The Texas Nationalist Party, which lists the same post office box as a Klan group, says on its website, next to a photograph of the Alamo, that the state is losing its history. The site echoes extremist and mainstream rhetoric: “Stop the Invasion!” and “Make Texas Great Again.”

White supremacy also has seeped into local debates as the city has sought to transform the Alamo site in recent years.

Last year, the City Council heard from members of This is Texas Freedom Force, a local pro-Confederacy and gun-rights group that opposed both the removal of a Confederate statue in Travis Park as well as a plan to relocate the concrete-and marble Cenotaph, a memorial to Alamo defenders.

One of the group’s members, Krystal Ross, asserted that the “real point” of moving the Cenotaph is “to water down Anglo-Saxon history,” according to minutes of the meeting.

Ross “pointed at me and said, ‘You’re trying to get rid of white history,’” said Councilman Roberto Treviño, whose district encompasses downtown San Antonio. “And at that moment, I had several council members turn to look at me and say, ‘Holy (expletive), there it is.’”

During the debate over whether to remove the Confederate statue, someone sent Treviño an angry note that referred to him as “Mex.” The councilman keeps the note on his desk under glass in his downtown office.

“It’s important for me to remember that these things exist, and I can’t be naive,” Treviño said, adding that he has lost count of the death threats made against him, especially as debate drags on over plans for extensive renovations to the Alamo site.

“My executive assistant will tell you, there are people who would just call her and tell her that they want to kill me, and hang up,” he said. “It does feel like it’s escalating. The fact that it happened in El Paso, not only did I get the feeling that it’s something that can happen here, but I’ve had others calling me, telling me the same thing.”​

 

Great articles. This kind of information is good for people to see.

 

Clicks clicks clicks. They always show the worst thing they can find.

That's why the idea of a political media agenda is so lame: the agenda is just to make money by getting viewers and clicks. That's why they covered Trump so much in 2016. Ratings goldmine.

 

The people who really need to see it, though, won't.