Texas Cop Who Fatally Shot Man After Entering Wrong Apartment Identified

Then hopefully you'll raise your son to not be a violent little **** like Trayvon and everything will be fine. That said, if you raise your son to be the kind of person who attacks strangers.....well you really should be worried.

 

Not sure what you mean about others feeling differently about the bodybuilder guy. There were multiple men of different ages, races and levels on the spectrum who were moved by his open heart pouring out.


JayGoogle is king of the rabbit hole argument and is probably a nice guy. Just too tiring to debate with that guy. First person I have ever put on ignore. I'm not even mad at the guy. He's the chihuahua nipping at your heels constantly. Once you get started with that dude it's exhausting.

RR tried to call bullshit on the seriousness of the event I wound up revealing. Not his fault that I did as I'm a grown ass man. But nontheless a shitty thing for him to do. Didn't put him on ignore because I don't think he thought that out.

I am sympathetic to the those who deal with actual racism. I'm just not opening up shop to hand out crying wolf licences. We all know people who do that about a myriad of things and we've witnessed what happened and know damn well what they said happened didn't happen. Jail is full of people of all races who didn't do **** to get arrested.

It's pointless to tell me your story and if I make a well thought out response to then tell me well you're white so you don't understand. Well then don't tell me **** if you don't care what I have to say about it. And don't assume anyone hasn't been discriminated against or felt like they are subhuman.

I get pain.... I know the mirage of vengeance is hollow and fleeting.... Can't tell you how many times I was asked if I was going to kill that guy for what he did or if I wished him death in prison...... My answers...... If I kill him and go to prison. I will do more harm to my son than he did. No one will line up to be his father. I don't wish the man harm in prison because it won't solve anything especially since the perpetrator would only be doing it to move up in a gang not avenge my son. That kind of vengeance would be hollow but so is vengeance from tearing up a city or trying to get an innocent man thrown in prison for stuff others did or how you think others perceive you. I still contend that being a strong leader for the cause you are passionate for is the road to go for. Leading takes you down unpopular but necessary roads at times but that's the price you pay to achieve the change you seek.

 

I would rather he train his son to 'stand his ground and shoot first' when he 'feels threatened' by any prick following him without cause. At least, then he would be alive to give the sole account of what happened.

 

As we're waiting with baited breath over "more facts", I'm fascinated by the dual positions one can take over decrying Vigilante Justice while supporting the principle of Florida's Standing Your Ground law.

When taken and stretched beyond the simple textbook case of self defense, as anyone sane could see Zimmerman had done, the law and it's court decisions are tantamount to decriminalizing Shoot to Kill Vigilantes. You get off as long as it's He Said, Dead's Dead.

But the Law is the Law! One side broke it and the other did not!

So are we following the spirit of the principle or the letter of it?

 

Unsurprisingly you'd support someone being a violent prick over being a good person, I truly hope you never breed, children raised by someone like you will just end up becoming a statistic and I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

 

Hey. I think I confused the body builder reference to the grown man cursing the parking space. Sorry.

I don't really know what to say, and really appreciate you even bothering to respond.

I am a little uncomfortable because you opened up with personal information, and I know you don't need advice or debate from an anonymous internet poster.

I was just reading this thread among others and despite the number of your posts, I didn't recognize you (or maybe recall you). As I read your posts, I really thought they stood out and were persuasive.

Not my business, but as the thread continued, it seemed like you got angry or more assertive in response to having to deal with contrary views. I get that you have experiences that make this discussion more personal (more from the sense that you have experienced prejudice against your son and didn't generalize it.) So, I get that it is very personal and important to you.

This is going to sound overly preachy, but that is probably some form of what the people you were debating are experiencing. Everyone has their own personal experiences that inform their world view.

I agree that there seems to be some crying wolf in our society. But, it is also pretty clear that there is still bigotry out there whether in the open or hidden (like the recent quarterback comment controversy). I don't think everyone should assume something was the result of racism. I also don't think we should shut our eyes and always assume that racism didn't play a part. Admittedly, a tough issue.

On a personal level, I have no idea what to say about your comments re: what to do to the person who hurt your son. Other than, I hope the best for you and your family. I'm sorry for the pain you are going through.

(on JayGoogle (who doesn't need my defense): I remember reading a LONG thread between Bobby the Great and JayGoogle and that was what made me start really participating in this forum. Your decision obviously, but I might consider unblocking JG (for your own benefit; I assume individual posters don't care about a block or two). I tend to like posters who will contribute and will continue to keep the threads going so we have something to read and consider. If you look back at the thread, you were willing to defend your position over many, many posts -- which is the same thing that seems to have irritated you about JG. Not that it matters, but I really appreciate both of your willingness to discuss hard issues. )

Again, sorry for mixing more mundane points in response to your opening up. Hoping the best for you.

 

I support people not being killed for being black while idiots like you try to belittle their lives. As for your stupid hope, it nothing but a reflection of your stupid mind.

 

This is now a G. Zimmerman /TM rerun? I just want to find out what happens to this woman cop, not rehash all that again...

 

I agree with this on the specific set of facts. Hopefully, we get to the point that no one shoots first.

 

They were disruptive. People followed them. Together, they upset people in power so much that some were ASSASSINATED.

Not that anybody needs to lose their lives to add merit to a cause, but something needs to be sacrificed. Today's "leaders" aren't disruptive nor do they have followers doing anything but buying their shoes.

Doesn't matter if police think they're drug dealers if they ain't drug dealers.

Yes, it is, obviously. Everyone now knows that when they do get in trouble, they just get hired somewhere else. So, again, why expect them to change?

That in itself sounds like a problem. Why don't you know what he means by "culture"?

A lot, too many. Being wrongly imprisoned is terrible, and it does happen more to blacks than any other race, but most black homes are broken by bad decisions not bad judges or prosecutors or police officers.

Injustice is to blame.

But I wonder if "broken" is the correct term to use. Most of the times, there is no home to break. The bad decision was made at conception.

You could say whatever about him getting pulled over, but at the end of the day, it doesn't matter because he wasn't doing anything wrong. He should just charge it to the game and move on.

People are going to take this the wrong direction and use it to excuse someone getting pulled over for DWB, but found to be in possession of a weapon illegally or with drugs while on probation.

I think people should first hold themselves to high standards before worrying about holding others to even higher standards.

 

You've completely changed the subject to the riots and looting that happened. I have never suggested that riots and looting were okay. That isn't something that anyone was advocating.

It is also absolutely false that all people saw was the need for vigilante justice. A small minority of people started rioting and looting. The majority of protesters were peaceful and non-violent. In another thread, another poster posted a video that explains why people often think in the manner that you just described. The news will focus and do stories on the 50 people who riot rather than the 5,000 who protest peacefully, so the impression sent out is that everyone is rioting. However, that isn't accurate.

You have falsely mischaracterized the vast majority of Ferguson citizens. And you did it in an attempt to change the subject from the fact that as RR and others pointed out there are routine and daily incidents of prejudice from the police.

 

Just to be clear. They were protesting a justified shooting because they wouldn’t wait for facts and after they got facts wouldn’t accept the truth, which lit the fire of the idiots. It was all a big mess that didn’t need to happen because people wanted mob justice rallying under a false flag . The hands up don’t shoot mantra was being shouted at protests that turned violent at other rallies long after it was known the Officer just did his job.

 

The only time I was angry was when RR tried to minimize the incident with my son as being not that bad since he didn’t die. I was also angry at myself for giving him that opportunity. But I do know from posting thoughts on living with Autism that lurkers and some posters find comfort or inspiration.

I get your comments on people giving their views on racism. Blame and anger do nothing but spin tires keeping you in the same spot with the same problem when the wheels stop spinning. Lot of smoke and loud noise but there you are.

I’m in a thread agreeing with posters affected by racism that a crime was committed and some want higher charges with no evidence to support the charge .

If you want more people to join the cause, you got to clean up the house before you invite them over. Start with what you can do to make things better.

 

The problem is just being black, in your eyes, makes black boys “a violent little ****”. Bigots and racist think that way. That’s the problem.

 

Yes, they were wrong in that instant. They made the mistake of believing that a person who belonged to the police force that routinely violated their rights had acted with racial bias and believed the testimony of eyewitnesses who were there and believed that they had seen an injustice committed.

I admit that it is wrong to raise the false flags, but is it more wrong than routinely denying the rights of people based on their race for years and years?

I am more of a solutions guy and less of a blame guy anyway. So let's talk about solutions.

Do you believe that if we reduced the incidents of discrimination that happens in our criminal justice and the judicial system, it might reduce people's willingness to believe the false flags? That is a something that is a worthwhile goal and deserving of effort. Even if it doesn't reduce the belief in false accounts, it is still the right thing to do. If it does reduce the belief in false accounts, then that is the icing on the cake.

 

Perhaps you view being black as a problem....but I think that just says not so great things about you. If you paid any attention to what I said, race has nothing to do with it. If you raise your kid to be a violent little **** like Trayvon, you should be worried about them. Eventually they might attack the wrong person and end up with the same fate. If you raise them to be worth a ****, you don't have to worry about that scenario.

I would imagine nearly all people support people not being killed for being black and I certainly do....I mean, it's not something that really happens so it's not worth talking about....on top of that, it's not what we're talking about, we're talking about Trayvon Martin, someone who was killed for attacking a victim that had a gun and fought back. Do try and keep up.

That said, I understand that in the mind of racists, any time a black man is killed he was killed for being black and there needs to be a lynching as a result. Try to be better than that if you can.

 

I dunno, the BLM leaders were pretty disruptive, I'd agree there are no real leaders but that is no reason to shut down the cause.

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...034/lapd-police-plant-evidence-ronald-shields

Yeah, so it matters, this is why people want mandatory body cams, like I said...checks and balances to stop abusive officers.

Is your argument seriously is to just change nothing and do nothing? Do you see how this is a problem?

Because he's never explained it to me. Black people don't have one monolith culture.

Everyone makes bad and terrible decisions in life.

My point is, it's very hard to talk about how 'culture' and such is a big problem in black communities and broken homes when we know that homes are broken by injustice so these numbers aren't really pure I'd say.

No, he shouldn't. If the game isn't fair then you complain about the game and tell the company to do it better.

It shouldn't be hard for me, cops shouldn't pull people over unless they have a really good reason to. Pulling people over because they are black is not a reason to pull someone over, nor should it be, nor should it be ignored.

Eh, I think it's possible to hold yourself to a high standard but others as well. In fact, it's usually why great players make horrible coaches because they just can't understand why their players just can't do it how they do it.

Are you telling me you don't hold your doctor to a higher standard? That you don't expect your doctor to know things? That if you ask your doctor what is wrong with you it's alright if s/he says "Hmmm, I have no idea so I can't recommend a specialist to you because I just have no F'n clue what's wrong with you."

I guess we have a difference there, I hold officers, doctors, teachers, Presidents...to a higher standard than other people.

 

I usually support the cops in many of these shootings. But, you really have your head in the sand if you can't see that some cops are more likely to shoot someone if they are black. I suppose you are waiting for a cop to admit he shot a guy because of skin color before being convinced these things actually happen. But, you should know that people usually aren't that dumb to confess to something like that.

 

The report from the justice department came out the following year, so when they were doing so, they were doing so without factual evidence. They selectively believed eyewitness testimony and unfortunately listened to liars. Hopefully lesson learned?

Both are wrong and both should be addressed. More wrong doesn't fix problems. Fixing yourself is the first thing one should do before concentrating on others.

Of course it does but kicking the false flag crutch out would too. It undermines the cause and legitimate efforts to bring justice. You can't say hey the PD discriminated against me and ignore when people do the same to the PD. You never seem to mention personal responsibility as part of a solution.

 

The people there didn't need a report to tell them the system was unfair and prejudiced against them. They experienced during their day to day lives.

Personal responsibility is definitely part of the solution not only for the citizens but for law enforcement as well. I applaud those that take on the responsibility of raising the issue of discrimination and believe they are part of the solution and doing our society a huge service.

We are agreed that they should not use false examples to publicize their efforts. We are agreed that working on both things would help solve the problem. Eliminating racism from our justice system and law enforcement would also help to eliminate people believing in the false flags.