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Study: U.S. Mideast policy motivated by pro-Israel lobby

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  1. tigermission1

    tigermission1 Contributing Member

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    http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/695227.html

    Study: U.S. Mideast policy motivated by pro-Israel lobby

    WASHINGTON - The U.S. Middle East policy is not in America's national interest and is motivated primarily by the country's pro-Israel lobby, according to a study published yesterday by researchers from Harvard University and the University of Chicago ( Link to Published Report ).

    Observers in Washington said yesterday that the study was liable to stir up a tempest and spur renewed debate about the function of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobby. The Fatah office in Washington distributed the article to an extensive mailing list.

    "No lobby has managed to divert U.S. foreign policy as far from what the American national interest would otherwise suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. and Israeli interests are essentially identical," write the authors of the study.

    John J. Mearsheimer from the University of Chicago's political science department and Stephen M. Walt from Harvard's John F. Kennedy School of Government do not present new facts. They rely mainly on an analysis of Israeli and American newspaper reports and studies, along with the findings of the Israeli human rights group B'Tselem.

    The study also documents accusations that American supporters of Israel pushed the United States into war with Iraq. It lists senior Bush administration officials who supported the war and are also known to support Israel, such as Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith and David Wurmser. The authors say the influence of the pro-Israel lobby is a source of serious concern and write that it has even caused damage to Israel by preventing it from reaching a compromise with its neighbors.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Well of course it is.....we have been WAY to close to Israel for years...time to cut that umbelical cord and let them sink or swim on their own.

    The US spends more money per capita on each citizen of Israel than it does on our own US citizens.

    Pathetic.....get Israel off our nipples.....they are starting to hurt !!

    DD
     
  3. blazer_ben

    blazer_ben Rookie

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    You cant cut isreal off america's payroll. simply because the jews are a very powerfull entity who control the Media, Politcs and so on. iof the us goverment crosses with those factions, the american economy will look weak. or will become weak.
     
  4. tigermission1

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    http://www.upi.com/InternationalIntelligence/view.php?StoryID=20060320-124726-1902r

    Pro-Israel lobby in U.S. under attack

    WASHINGTON, March 20 (UPI) -- Two of America's top scholars have published a searing attack on the role and power of Washington's pro-Israel lobby in a British journal, warning that its "decisive" role in fomenting the Iraq war is now being repeated with the threat of action against Iran. And they say that the Lobby is so strong that they doubt their article would be accepted in any U.S.-based publication.

    Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago, author of "The Tragedy of Great Power Politics" and Professor Stephen Walt of Harvard's Kenney School, and author of "Taming American Power: The Global Response to U.S. Primacy," are leading figures American in academic life.

    They claim that the Israel lobby has distorted American policy and operates against American interests, that it has organized the funneling of more than $140 billion dollars to Israel and "has a stranglehold" on the U.S. Congress, and its ability to raise large campaign funds gives its vast influence over Republican and Democratic administrations, while its role in Washington think tanks on the Middle East dominates the policy debate.

    And they say that the Lobby works ruthlessly to suppress questioning of its role, to blacken its critics and to crush serious debate about the wisdom of supporting Israel in U.S. public life.

    "Silencing skeptics by organizing blacklists and boycotts -- or by suggesting that critics are anti-Semites -- violates the principle of open debate on which democracy depends," Walt and Mearsheimer write.

    "The inability of Congress to conduct a genuine debate on these important issues paralyses the entire process of democratic deliberation. Israel's backers should be free to make their case and to challenge those who disagree with them, but efforts to stifle debate by intimidation must be roundly condemned," they add, in the 12,800-word article published in the latest issue of The London Review of Books.

    The article focuses strongly on the role of the "neo-conservatives" within the Bush administration in driving the decision to launch the war on Iraq.

    "The main driving force behind the war was a small band of neo-conservatives, many with ties to the Likud," Mearsheimer and Walt argue." Given the neo-conservatives' devotion to Israel, their obsession with Iraq, and their influence in the Bush administration, it isn't surprising that many Americans suspected that the war was designed to further Israeli interests."

    "The neo-conservatives had been determined to topple Saddam even before Bush became president. They caused a stir early in 1998 by publishing two open letters to Clinton, calling for Saddam's removal from power. The signatories, many of whom had close ties to pro-Israel groups like JINSA (Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs) or WINEP (Washington Institute for Near Eastern Policy), and who included Elliot Abrams, John Bolton, Douglas Feith, William Kristol, Bernard Lewis, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz, had little trouble persuading the Clinton administration to adopt the general goal of ousting Saddam. But they were unable to sell a war to achieve that objective. They were no more able to generate enthusiasm for invading Iraq in the early months of the Bush administration. They needed help to achieve their aim. That help arrived with 9/11. Specifically, the events of that day led Bush and Cheney to reverse course and become strong proponents of a preventive war," Walt and Mearsheimer write.

    The article, which is already stirring furious debate in U.S. academic and intellectual circles, also explores the historical role of the Lobby.

    "For the past several decades, and especially since the Six-Day War in 1967, the centerpiece of US Middle Eastern policy has been its relationship with Israel," the article says.

    "The combination of unwavering support for Israel and the related effort to spread 'democracy' throughout the region has inflamed Arab and Islamic opinion and jeopardized not only U.S. security but that of much of the rest of the world. This situation has no equal in American political history. Why has the U.S. been willing to set aside its own security and that of many of its allies in order to advance the interests of another state?" Professors Walt and Mearsheimer add.

    "The thrust of U.S. policy in the region derives almost entirely from domestic politics, and especially the activities of the 'Israel Lobby'. Other special-interest groups have managed to skew foreign policy, but no lobby has managed to divert it as far from what the national interest would suggest, while simultaneously convincing Americans that U.S. interests and those of the other country - in this case, Israel -- are essentially identical," they add.

    They argue that far from being a strategic asset to the United States, Israel "is becoming a strategic burden" and "does not behave like a loyal ally." They also suggest that Israel is also now "a liability in the war on terror and the broader effort to deal with rogue states.

    "Saying that Israel and the U.S. are united by a shared terrorist threat has the causal relationship backwards: the US has a terrorism problem in good part because it is so closely allied with Israel, not the other way around," they add. "Support for Israel is not the only source of anti-American terrorism, but it is an important one, and it makes winning the war on terror more difficult. There is no question that many al-Qaida leaders, including Osama bin Laden, are motivated by Israel's presence in Jerusalem and the plight of the Palestinians. Unconditional support for Israel makes it easier for extremists to rally popular support and to attract recruits."

    They question the argument that Israel deserves support as the only democracy in the Middle East, claiming that "some aspects of Israeli democracy are at odds with core American values. Unlike the US, where people are supposed to enjoy equal rights irrespective of race, religion or ethnicity, Israel was explicitly founded as a Jewish state and citizenship is based on the principle of blood kinship. Given this, it is not surprising that its 1.3 million Arabs are treated as second-class citizens."

    The most powerful force in the Lobby is AIPAC, the American-Israel Public affairs Committee, which Walt and Mearsheimer call "a de facto agent for a foreign government," and which they say has now forged an important alliance with evangelical Christian groups.

    The bulk of the article is a detailed analysis of the way they claim the Lobby managed to change the Bush administration's policy from "halting Israel's expansionist policies in the Occupied Territories and advocating the creation of a Palestinian state" and divert it to the war on Iraq instead. They write "Pressure from Israel and the Lobby was not the only factor behind the decision to attack Iraq in March 2003, but it was critical."

    "Thanks to the lobby, the United States has become the de facto enabler of Israeli expansion in the Occupied Territories, making it complicit in the crimes perpetrated against the Palestinians," and conclude that "Israel itself would probably be better off if the Lobby were less powerful and U.S. policy more even-handed."
     
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    Well the Islamic world is never going to get off case until we stop supporting Israel. It doesn't mean we have to cut ties with Israel, but we could stop giving them such generous handouts.
     
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    Well Bush rescently went as far to say he would send send Soldiers to Isreal's Aid if Attacked by iran. that should tell you how Powerfull the Jewish Isreal lobby truly is.
     
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    Yeah, Jews control everything. Welcome to Stereotype world!
     
  8. insane man

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    and how is this different than the deal US has with saudi in terms of security?
     
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    hahahahahahahahahahahaha
     
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    I think I should have added that as my post in Hangout thread for "If I had a dollar for every time.. I heard that.."
     
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    we sent troops to help kuwait when they were invaded by iraq, their lobbying efforts are that great? Hell we sent troops to kosovo after the serbian government sent in troops so they kosovar lobbyists are running washington also?
     
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    Difference is here is Isreal unlike Kuwait or Saudi dosent posses Oil or any great amount of resources. what they do posses is a very powerfull jewish pro-isreal lobby in america.
     
  13. insane man

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    or they are the rent a cop on the cheap in the mid east for the US. they took care of iraq's nukes in the 80s. and we only hafta give them a couple bil a year. when we supposedly attempted to take care of iraq's nukes in 03 its gonna end up costing 2 trillion.
     
  14. Rockets2K

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    well...geee

    Since we are stereotyping here...let me respond with the supposed fact that doing so would cost them money...and we all know how much jewish businessmen hate losing money.
    :rolleyes:
     
  15. halfbreed

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    ...and they don't strap bombs to themselves and blow themselves up in crowded areas.
     
  16. Mr. Clutch

    Mr. Clutch Contributing Member

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    Yes, lobbies have effects on policies. That's why they are lobbies.
     
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    tigermission1 Contributing Member

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    That's a cheap shot, so I guess it deserves another one...

    ...at least they don't bomb refugee camps and massacre civilians with their 'high-tech' weaponry.
     
  18. insane man

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    well yes. because they have nice helicopters and jets to do their dirty work for them. forget morality, it would be utter stupidity to do that when you have a dominant military force.
     
  19. halfbreed

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    I'm sorry if you thought it was a cheap shot. I'm merely pointing out why most Americans would side with the Israelis as opposed to the Palestinians.

    Also, I don't see how pointing out the facts of that case was a "cheap shot."
     
  20. insane man

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    but thats just stupid. if you oppress one people for years and help the other people in their oppression of the aforementioned people...and 60 years later say see. the oppressed people have no morals thats why we help the oppressors...thats a brilliant way to work.
     

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