Shenzhen has become the first city in China to ban eating cats and dogs

People in America boil live f'n chickens?

 

Chickens aren't the same as cats and dogs. They aren't mammals and aren't as similar cognitively or emotionally (but still probably more similar than you think).

Domesticated pigs, on the other hand, are definitely the same as cats and dogs. They are extremely emotional and incredibly smart mammals.

Killing a pig is exactly like killing a dog or cat... if you take out your cultural belief base of pigs = bacon/ribs vs dogs = mans best friend/good boi's

I would love to hear a legitimate rebuttal as to why killing a pig is morally acceptable as opposed to dogs, that isn't based on a cultural belief system. Give me some science on why they are different, and why ethically the murder is different. Because if we raised and fed dogs on in the same manner as pigs in America, slaughtered them and packaged them exactly the same... that ethically it should be okay to anyone who is fine with pigs suffering the same fate? Americans who eat pigs should theoretically have no problems with dog ribs being on the menu's, here or in China, as long as the conditions for the animals are acceptable to the USA's standard.

 

And who the hell is advocating to chop up "domesticated" pigs anyways? Plus we aren't barbarians that go to markets and enjoy live animals being butchered like some other **** hole countries.

I see culture being constantly brought up. Well its Two Thousand ****ing 20. If everyone is just allowed to stick to their outdated traditions then lets let Muslims have four wives, enslave the blacks, etc, etc, etc. Dogs and cats have been domesticated world wide for a few hundred years. The day I start seeing multiple chickens and pigs being walked on leashes at Memorial Park, I promise to stop eating them.

 

Not only are they highly intelligent, pigs more biologically similar to humans than dogs or cats. Biologists call them the "horizontal man". Every now and then, we transplant pig organs out of sheer desperation and because it's the closet to working, not man's best friend.

Conversely, cannibals call their food "long pig".

Cultural belief systems are among the worst mental poisons.

 

Am I being trolled?

All farmed pigs are domesticated?

The confidence of such a ignorant post is impressive.

 

Saying we've eaten them for a long time is not an ethical justification. It's like going back and asking an American slaver why what he's doing is okay and he responds "we've been doing this hundreds of years". Are you gonna say "Oh ok makes ethical sense to me"?

Pig tasting good and being large fatty animals, also not an ethical justification.

Normal humans do and have eaten cats and dogs? There is no difference in a human who eats pigs and dogs, so if you going to trash people for eating one, accept that you are trash yourself for the same reasons for eating the other.

 

I forget that I'm talking with you Tinman, I've seen your work in the Lin threads over the decade and should have known better than to try to have a good-faith debate with you.

I'm not saying eating pigs is the same as slavery, I think you know this right, you just can't legitimately reply to my post so you have to do garbage like this instead of critically thinking about something that shakes your own belief base.

I'm saying using the justification of "we've been doing (X) a long time, so, therefore, it's ethically okay" isn't an argument, it means nothing. Doing something for a long time doesn't make it ethical.

I also wouldn't quote the man who doesn't know what a domesticated animal is on this subject either. I guess he's akin to your Zboy in this thread, not sure why you feel the need to build up a coalition when having a conversation with somebody?

 

This is the crux of my point, just because a culture has appointed companionship to certain animals, doesn't mean these animals are suddenly unethical to kill, and that animals not given the companionship status by your culture are suddenly ethical to kill. In your culture, or any other one.

There is no ethical difference in eating horses, cows, dogs, pigs, cats, goats etc etc. These are all incredibly intelligent and emotionally mammals. Either you are against killing them, or your not.

You eat non-hominid mammals Tinman, therefore, you can't say anything about the ethically of other people eating non-hominid mammals. So when you say Chinese are backward ****s for eating dogs, I just see you calling yourself a backward **** for eating pigs.

Now I'm not calling anybody a backward ****, we all have different views on the ethicality of eating animals, I just want consistency. If you eat animals I understand, if you don't I also understand. But when you want to eat one animal and be a piece of **** and attack other people who eat the same types of animals, I can't help but to call out the hypocrisy.

 

This convo makes me revisit the questions I have for eating meat. Ofc, labeling The Other as alien could make it easier for me to waffle between either position or to follow an arbitrary crowd.

I'm always reminded of this video and how I felt it was when I first saw it.

 

I hate watching those fn videos. Yeah USA is equally bad as **** hole China.

I would have zero problems with those ****ing dog nappers being shot in the face or being boiled alive. In fact I would volunteer to do the job.

China is a **** hole for many diff reasons. Now I would say its treatments of the Uyghur Muslims is reprehensible, but you would have these freaks saying well yeah but who is USA to talk, look what we did to the Indians like 500 years ago.

 

Yes pigs and goats are especially hard animals to cope with eating, because like dogs and cats they are good companion animals and are playful and very trusting of humans once a bond is made. You can find endless cute pets videos like the one you posted.

I know it's an incredibly hard and difficult conflict we have, most people will say, I obviously would never kill a dog, cat, horse, and most would say hypocritically, I would also not kill a pig, goat or cow if we met them in person and you handed me a knife, but we still eat these animals because it's all we have ever known growing up, we love the flavor and the meals, and we try to disconnect the food from the life taken.

I'm not mad at people who eat animals, just make it as humane as possible, and please don't be hypocrites, if you couldn't kill the animals your self you probably shouldn't eat it, and you definitely shouldn't arbitrarily draw lines between animals an attack other people for making the same exact choice you have.