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Senator Tuberville hates the military

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  1. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    Marines Face No Confirmed Commandant for First Time in 164 Years

    https://www.military.com/daily-news...onfirmed-commandant-first-time-164-years.html

    The Marine Corps is on track to be led by an acting commandant for the first time in 164 years as senators leave town for two weeks with no end in sight to a standoff over military confirmations.

    The term for the current Marine commandant, Gen. David Berger, expires July 10, "at which time he must vacate the office, regardless of whether a successor has been appointed," service spokesperson Maj. Jim Stenger told Military.com in an email last week. Berger's deputy and nominated successor, Gen. Eric Smith, will fill the position in an acting role.

    The failure to confirm Smith to be the next Marine Corps chief is due to a single-handed hold on confirmations by Sen. Tommy Tuberville, R-Ala., over Pentagon abortion leave policies. The position is the highest in the military so far to feel the pinch of Tuberville's hold, but the Defense Department has warned that hundreds of officer promotions could be disrupted this year.

    "Until a new commandant is confirmed by the Senate and appointed to the position, Gen. Smith will be the acting commandant, retaining the title and position of assistant commandant," Stenger said.

    The Senate left for its Fourth of July recess Thursday evening and is not scheduled to be back in session until the same day Berger retires, making it impossible for Smith to be confirmed before Berger leaves.

    On Thursday, the Senate Armed Services Committee voted to advance Smith's nomination, but the panel's move will have little effect in moving it along. Aside from the Senate's summer absence, Smith now hits the blockade that Tuberville has maintained since February on all general and flag officers.

    While the Senate would typically confirm uncontroversial nominees such as Smith quickly after the Armed Services Committee advances them, Tuberville's objection to fast-tracking general and flag officer confirmations means the Marines will be without a Senate-confirmed leader for the first time since Archibald Henderson died in office in 1859, committee staffers told reporters Friday.

    Tuberville is using a procedural tactic known as a hold to stonewall all nominees for O-7 and above over his opposition to a Pentagon abortion policy unveiled earlier this year. The policy allows service members to take nonchargeable leave and have their travel expenses paid for if they need to go far from their base to receive an abortion or other reproductive health care not offered by the department, such as in vitro fertilization.

    While a hold cannot prevent the Senate from confirming nominees, it requires the chamber to take individual roll call votes on each nominee rather than quickly confirming them in batches with a voice vote as it usually does for military officers. With more than 250 nominees trapped in Tuberville's hold now, and about 650 expected to be caught by the end of the year, confirming them individually would be a months-long, impractical process.

    Meanwhile, senators are using their annual defense policy bill to prod the Pentagon to explain the legality of the abortion policy at the center of the confirmation fight.

    The version of the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, advanced by the committee this week would direct the Pentagon to provide a report to Congress on the "legality, oversight functions and processes" related to the abortion leave policy, according to a summary released Friday.

    The Justice Department has already conducted a legal analysis of the Pentagon policy. While Republicans who oppose the policy argue it violates legal restrictions on the use of Pentagon funding for abortions, the Justice Department maintains those restrictions apply only to actually performing abortions and that the Defense Department policy is consistent with other government agencies, such as the Peace Corps, which cover costs incidental to abortion.

    Senators are asking for the report to be done by July 24 so they receive it before the full Senate votes on the NDAA, committee staffers said Friday. The information in the report could be used for action on the policy when the bill comes to the Senate floor or is being reconciled with the House version of the bill, committee staffers and senators said.

    The language on the abortion policy is in the report accompanying the bill, which means it is not legally binding but also that lawmakers can request the Pentagon come back with answers before the bill becomes law.

    Calling for a report on the abortion policy was a compromise offered by Sen. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., after senators debated and rejected a measure from Sen. Joni Ernst, R-Iowa, that would have reversed the Pentagon policy entirely, Sen. Tim Kaine, D-Va., told reporters Friday.

    "It was a spirited discussion, and it took a long time," Kaine said about the committee's closed-door debate on the abortion policy. "But pretty much everybody around the table, we all knew where each other was on the discussion, and so it was not uncivil or argumentative."

    Committee staffers said they have no indication that including the report in the NDAA will get Tuberville to back off his hold. Tuberville has previously said a committee vote on the policy is not enough to get him to change course.

    That means the number of acting chiefs could grow beyond Smith and the Marines, a potential committee staffers alluded to as they stressed that they have several major confirmation hearings on tap after the recess.

    Gen. Charles "C.Q." Brown, the current chief of staff of the Air Force, has been named to take over for Gen. Mark Milley as the next chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, leaving the leadership of the Air Force unfilled. Milley's term expires at the end of September.

    Gen. James McConville, the Army's top officer, and Adm. Mike Gilday, the Navy's military boss, are also both set to retire soon. Only McConville's replacement has been publicly named.
     
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    Tuberville rejects GOP attempts to end military promotions blockade

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/06/14/tommy-tuberville-military-promotions-00101935

    Sen. Tommy Tuberville is rejecting off-ramps and advice from more senior Republicans to end his hold on military promotions, even as Pentagon officials step up their warnings that the maneuver is compromising America’s security.

    The Alabama lawmaker’s colleagues have approached him in recent weeks to broker a compromise that would allow roughly 250 senior officer promotions to clear the Senate. The hold threatens to ensnare President Joe Biden’s pick for Joint Chiefs chair, Air Force Gen. C.Q. Brown, along with others preparing to rotate in as senior military leaders prepare to retire.

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    Asked about the holds Tuesday during an Armed Services confirmation hearing, a panel on which Tuberville serves, Smith said “it will have an effect.”

    “It certainly compromises our ability to be most ready,” he further responded to Sen. Angus King (I-Maine).


     
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  3. StupidMoniker

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    Apparently, whoever is refusing to scrap the rule providing leave and transport to service women seeking abortions hates the military, too (that would be Democrats in the Senate). Otherwise, they could do what Tuberville wants and have their promotions. It's almost like the real issue isn't the promotions at all, but the abortions.
     
  4. Amiga

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    Good point. Maybe you like this phrasing better: Senator Tuberville risks US military readiness because of his extreme view.
     
  5. edwardc

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    Question where is the proof about the rule providing leave and transport to service women you say that it's the Democrats in Senate i would like to see the proof of said statement.
     
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    Xerobull You son of a b!tch! I'm in!

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    The rule was made by the Pentagon. Refusing to reverse the rule is happening in the Senate. Senator Ernst submitted a bill to the Armed Services Committee that would reverse the policy, it has not been passed through to the Senate for a vote. Also, Senator Schumer can bring the promotions to the Senate floor for a vote whenever he wants. He is refusing to do it. So that's two ways Senate Democrats are holding things up.
    Tuberville rejects GOP attempts to end military promotions blockade - POLITICO
    Why Tommy Tuberville won't back down on stalling 250 military nominees in the Senate (washingtonexaminer.com)
    Senators can always find a way to logjam in order to try to get their way on something. There are some ways to clear the logjams without giving the person what they want, but the other option is to give them what they want, because you care more about the other thing that is being logjammed.
     
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    Ok i'm still not seeing where the Dems are the ones seeking abortions hates the military.
     
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  9. StupidMoniker

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    I don't understand your question then. The Pentagon made a new policy to provide leave and paid transportation to service members seeking abortions. Tuberville says this was unconstitutional so he blocked all promotions above O-7 until it is reversed. Ernst introduced a bill to reverse it. The Dems control the Senate and the Armed Services Committee. If they pass Ernst's bill, which they can do any time they want, the holds get lifted. In the alternative, Chuck Schumer can just bring the promotions up for a floor vote in the Senate, because they hold can't stop him from doing that. Either side can let the nominations go forward by giving in to the other. The Dems can have the nominations go forward even without giving in, just by introducing them one at a time for a floor vote. Both sides would rather drag out the holds for political gain, because both sides understand that there really isn't any problem with holding up the promotions. It isn't like the military has stopped functioning, or the Marine Corps cannot exist without a Senate confirmed Commandant. This is all political theater. They are selling you a story that the GOP secretly hates the military. Both parties LOVE the military. Military spending in the States/Districts of legislators is one of the biggest pork barrels in the government.
     
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    Does anyone agree with Tuberville ( the guy that didn't know the 3 branches of government) that it's unconstitutional?
     
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    Some people do, although that is the least important part because it isn't being challenged in court. The realpolitik is what matters here. Tuberville wants something (to reverse the military's abortion policy). He has one tool in his toolbox to get it (obstruction). His opponents don't want to give him what he wants (if they did, he wouldn't have to do any of this, they would just all vote together to change it). They can't just ignore his obstruction, because he has that power. That just leaves them the options of letting him obstruct as long as he wants, doing a workaround (bringing the promotions for a vote one at a time), or giving in. So far, they have picked option 1. The point is, holding up the promotions has nothing to do with Tuberville's thoughts on the people being promoted or whether they deserve it, they are just the lever being applied to his issue. In other words, the whole framing of this thread is a ruse.
     
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    Tommy Tuberville is a massive dumbass sh**bag, and it has nothing to do with this issue.
     
  13. rocketsjudoka

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    You could say that about any policy. In this case Tuberville is the outlier as it sounds like most Republicans support moving forward with confirmations.
     
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    In the article it states that yes there are ways around the hold but the hold is slowing up confirmations. Everything that you note would further slow confirmations. The military is saying that the hold up affects readiness.
     
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    Tuberville can sue if he feels it’s unconstitutional. He doesn’t believe that, but it’s nice raw meat for some folks. This is simply a power move by a single Senator to hold all military promotions until he gets what he wants. He, and only he, is risking military readiness. No one else, not any other Republican or Democrat.

    This also highlights the problem with our institutions when a single Senator is more powerful than 49 others combined.
     
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    And his republican colleagues should apply more pressure on tuberville to get him to release his hold. Until they do, all republicans are impacting our military readiness and holding up the promotions.
     
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    Yes, I believe I pointed out exactly that fact.
    Irrelevant.
    It wouldn't further slow confirmations to bring them up for a vote, it would just remain slower than if the hold didn't exist. Right now they are doing it at a rate of zero per day, if they started voting on them, they would get through several per day (which for the math impaired, is faster than zero per day). They don't want to do that. They want to have the issue in the papers. Obviously just doing what he asks to lift the hold would also not slow the confirmations.
    If any of them really believed it was affecting military readiness, they would be confirming people with votes. None of them really believe that. Russia isn't going to invade Alaska and because they haven't yet confirmed these promotions we won't be able to respond. They would just have the next person in the chain of command respond accordingly. That's why there is a chain of command. Putting it in the press that this hold is impacting military readiness is just the tool they are using to fight what Tuberville is doing, hoping to pressure him into folding. It might work, it might not. On the other side, no one has talked so much about Senator Tuberville before this happened, so he is also building name recognition from it.
     
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    double post
     
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    You are essentially saying we can let our guard down a bit because the chance of Russia invading Alaska is almost nil (or China invading Taiwan, and so on). Those chances are very low, but that's not what readiness is about. The military should always be at its optimal readiness state for any event, unexpected or not.

    The DoD stated it affects readiness, and it makes sense. When you block all movement of getting personnel into their right positions in a huge organization such as the military, which has a very top-down command structure, you will negatively impact its operation.

    He is being talked about more, and that's very possibly a goal of his for doing this. Tuberville sees his personal view or goal as greater than US military readiness.
     
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    No, I am saying that readiness isn't really being affected. That if such an invasion occurred, we would respond normally despite these promotions not being confirmed.
    Of course they are saying this, they want their promotions to go through. If our military could be made ineffective by 500 people not being promoted for a year, then we should radically restructure our military. That is (of course) not the case. If we were attacked, our military would operate just fine without the promotions, because there is a chain of command. It isn't like the President would call the Pentagon and the phone would keep ringing with no answer. Someone would be essentially the acting person in whatever position pending confirmation. The only difference is they wouldn't be getting the pay bump. Do you think that not having a confirmed Commandant of the Marine Corps means no one at the USMC can do anything right now? Are all Marine bases shut down because of this? Of course not, they are operating business as usual, because there is a top-ranking general that is still issuing orders and communicating with the Pentagon.
    Military readiness is a red herring. He sees this as an opportunity to bog things down in order to try to get his way.
     

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