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Secret ledger in Ukraine lists cash for Trump's campaign chief

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Carl Herrera, Aug 14, 2016.

  1. Aceshigh7

    Aceshigh7 Contributing Member

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    Romney was dead wrong on Russia also. Both he and Obama were.

    From the current crop of candidates this election cycle, only Trump and Rand Paul appeared willing to take a realistic view at US/Russian relations. All others seemed to be buying into the made up narrative that we're still locked in a Cold War struggle with the evil mother Russia.
     
  2. JeffB

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    Putin's Russia isn't the old U.S.S.R., but it isn't a kumbaya ally either. Russia is a rival led by a leader who would like to see some balance to the power the U.S. wields internationally. Putin's stance toward the world's only superpower has hardened over time especially since the Iraq Invasion during Bush II.

    It isn't like Putin has kept these thoughts a secret. Anyway, you are correct that Putin wants to see a pragmatic approach to diplomacy that respects what he considers Russian interests, even if that means watching as he annexes land or invades a nation. The current narrative, I think, is born out of what as been increased aggression by Russia over the years. Something the GOP used to hammer democrats with up until this election cycle.
     
  3. Nook

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    The tensions between the United States and Russia are the worst they have been since the Cold War.

    The latest polling shows that nearly 80% of Russians have a negative opinion of the United States.

    Honestly, your head is in the sand if you do not see the United States and Russia as enemies. There have been spies identified in both countries.

    Are we at war with Russia? No.... but there are serious problems.
     
  4. Nook

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    Really?

    How have those trade restrictions/sanctions against Russia by the United States gone?

    Think Russia and Putin are happy that Obama has strangled their economy?

    Think that Obama and the United States are happy that Putin just arbitrarily decided to take over other nations?
     
  5. Bobbythegreat

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    SMH, don't try to make it seem like Trump agrees with Rand Paul on anything. Rand Paul has a realistic view of US/Russian relations, Trump is Putin's lapdog.....that's not the same thing.
     
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    Sorry, you are ok with a foreign gov't hacking into a major political party to try to influence an election. I forget that since it was the DNC it's ok in your book. Go Russia!
     
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    Let your balalaika sing, comrade! :eek:
     
  8. glynch

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    Sounds bad, but it is probably just business as usual. Trump's manager is a partner in an international pr firm. Most foreign governments employ US public relations firms, who generally take money from whomever, whether Dems or Republicans, odious foreign governments or actors etc. to make Americans think highly of their clients or influence our legislation to benefit them.

    Many are the same pr firms that lobby our own Congress for corporate interests which are often against the 99%.

    Sadly, I suspect that Bill Clinton or the Clinton Foundation probably use similar firms whose clientele would not pass the smell test. I wouldn't surprise me if some of the pr firms supporting Hillary and the Clinton Foundation made money off clients on the other side in Ukraine-- the one that overthrew the guys Trumps manager worked for.

    Hey, Trump is personally crazy and unfit to be president, so if this type of info causes some of the low info or even neo-connish types in the GOP to vote for Hillary (the neo-con light types in the Dem Party are over Hillary), I am not that against it except for a bit of fondness for the truth..
     
  9. vlaurelio

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    Don't think a working with a corrup political network with which looted a country's coffers and influence elections is "business as usual"
     
  10. Ottomaton

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    It was a serous mistake to reneg on the deal with Russia that we would not expand NATO if they allowed German Reunification.

    Well probably 80% of Americans have a negative opinion of Russian and our mainstream media, including Hollywood work full time to keep upping the number.

    It is stupid to claim the Russkies are going to invade Western Europe just because they annexed Crimea after 96% of the Russian speakers there voted to rejoin Russia after the anti-Russian coup on the Ukraine. So a conventional buildlup is a waste of money.

    Even our neo-cons who love to start needless wars throughout the Middle East and throughout the world are not stupid enough to try to win a nuclear war. However, the military industrial complex sure loves the new cold war which encourages big expenditure on nuclear as well as conventional weapons
     
  12. OmegaSupreme

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    Nope.

    And if he were on team Democrat, FoxNews would be in a furor and would already have altered their programming schedule to include a special series of 1-hour reports on Russia's attempt to turn Clinton into the Russian Manchuria Candidate. But since this is team Republican....
     
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    Hilarious.

    When you're too tainted to work for the Trump Campaign, something must really be wrong.

    #ManafortForPrison
     
  15. CometsWin

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    So Trump's campaign manager was in the tank for the Russians? I thought Trump only hired the best people.
     

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