He has great size and athleticism. His motor IMO is terrible though so I don't get the comparison to Faried. Like you can clearly question his passion for the game. I've seen him sulk a lot during games. But he's undrafted so no real downside. Not really sure why we need him but I guess. Beachem is a name to look out for on the undrafted list as well.. is a 2/3 lefty (I think? can't remember off the top of my head) 3 and D player with length. He didn't really shoot well his senior year but his junior year was really good. Boucher is one of those "stretch 5's" so maybe Morey would take a flier on him too... he's long, can block shots and play D, and occasionally hit the 3...
NBADraft.net Mock had him going at 37th Has long arms and extreme athleticism Draymond Green (just listing Green, not as a player comparison, just the measurements, since he's the new standard for small PFs) 6'5 ¾" Barefoot 6'7 ½" w/shoes 236 Weight 7'1 ¼" Wingspan 8'9" Standing reach 28" No step Vert 33" Max Vert Cam Oliver 6' 7' barefoot 6' 8.25'' in shoes 238.6 Weight 7' 1.25'' wingspan 8' 10.5'' standing reach 28" No step verticle 39.5" Max verticle Course, Montrezl is more freakish than both...so 6'7" barefoot 6'7 ½" in shoes 253 weight 7'4 ¼" wingspan 9'1" standing reach no verticle stats from Draftexpress
Here is a couple of post I made about him in another thread a couple weeks ago. The first post I go over some of his weaknesses which lead him to be undrafted, and why I think they can be fixed. Second post I compare Oliver, Harrell and Patterson's college careers. Spoiler Cameron Oliver is probably my favorite for one our 2nd's in this draft. He has everything you can ask for from a PF in todays NBA. He can shoot 3's at a high percentage and clip. He's a solid finisher at the rim. He's a good defensive rebounder and shot blocker. He's strong and wide at 240, looks like he'll be able to guard 4's and even some 5's in the post comfortably, he has quick feet to guard most bigs and even some 3's on the perimeter, contest shots and closes gaps well. 7'1 wingspan, 40 inch vert. He's a little short, but a legit 6'7 barefoot which is enough height given his strength and athletecism. Just about to turn 21 as a 2nd year player, has room for growth. Most 2nd rounders this year are 3-4 year players at 22+ years old. Almost every single knock against him, to me screams bad coaching. If he was coached and utilized properly I think he'd likely be a lottery pick right now. The scouting reports say "low IQ", but really it looks like poor coaching. Poor shot selection, takes contested/off balanced shots, doesn't shoot well off the dribble, takes too many mid range shots, forces the issue instead of passing, not very good at creating off the dribble. Bad body stances and positioning on defense. Sounds like he doesn't need the ball in his hands on offense, sounds like he's not being utilized correctly, he's being scrutinized for things that he won't have to worry about much at the next level offensively as he won't be the star of his team or a offensive creator. In our system for example, he would just spot up on the 3pt line, do pick and rolls with Harden, and cut to the basket occasionally. No ball handling, no creating, no post ups, no mid range shots. Just wide open set 3's and finishing in the paint off the roll/cut - both which he excels at. So right now heading into the NBA he just really needs a good system, coaching and experience. The right offensive system will solve most of his perceived problems, outside of that his shot mechanics could be improved, his range can be extended some, his defensive positioning and techniques could be improved, all with simple coaching. So if he has the work ethic, and is put in the proper offensive system, with the right coaches to help develop him, he should thrive because he has all the physical tools and skills to be a very versatile and talented player in the NBA. I would compare his upside to a modern Serge Ibaka. Spoiler Oliver is a significantly better defensive rebounder then Harrell or Patterson was in college, he's also a significantly better shot blocker, and significantly better 3pt shooter as well. Spoiler is their college stats. Defensive rebounds (per 40 minutes pace adjusted across all seasons played) Patterson - 6.0 Harrell - 6.2 Oliver - 8.6 Shot blocking (per 40 pace adjusted across all seasons played) Patterson - 1.8 Harrell - 1.6 Oliver - 3.2 3pt shooting (makes per game / percentage across all seasons played) Patterson - 0.3 / .370% Harrell - 0.1 / .250% Oliver - 1.5 / .365% Patterson and Harrell were really good offensive rebounders in college, that's why they had high rebounding totals. They outclassed the opponents on the offensive boards, but were always mediocre/poor defensive rebounders. Oliver was also a very good offensive rebounder his freshman year but he developed his 3pt shot more, therefor started playing on the perimeter more and got less offensive rebounds his sophomore year. Make no mistake, Oliver is a good defensive rebounder, 8.5 defensive rebounds (per 40 adjusted) for a PF in college is very good. Another point I will make about Oliver's rebounding, is that he's wide with big shoulder, to me he plays stronger then his weight (at 240 thats saying something). I think he won't have a problem boxing out NBA 4's, In college he mostly went against centers. I'm optimistic that he might be able to effectively play small ball center as well, but I haven't seen go against NBA quality bigs yet.
they play nothing alike tbh cam oliver gets a lot of his points in the paint off aggressive post moves and just being more athletic/stronger than others in the MW conference. and no way he can handle the ball like draymond. but they do possess a versatility to their game if we must compare them.
Not trying to compare him to Green, just the measurements....since Green is the standard for small PF with length.
gotcha. he's def not undersized at all and even if ppl said he was, he plays above the rim anyways to compensate. his biggest knock is his motor and IQ. if he doesn't get his touches, you can pretty much write him off the game lol
With this kid, he's got the talent, the problem is between his ears. He's dumb as a bag of hammers and he's got motivation issues. If they can get his head screwed on straight then he could really become a solid NBA player, if not, he'll wash out.
I don't know anything about him before today. But your post of weaknesses reads like you're giving him excuses, tbh. anyhoot, I'll add a weakness A big knock on him I read is he played in a poor conference, so not much competition and ppl think he should have dominated much more consistently for how explosive he is....he inexplicably disappears some games, even against weak competition. That worries me.
