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Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Deckard, Apr 29, 2019.

  1. magnetik

    magnetik Contributing Member

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    GS claimed harden jumped forward and into the defender when he landed.... legit?
     
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    Fake news.....next question.
     
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    Benjamin Franklin once wrote:
    "For the want of a nail, the shoe was lost.
    For the want of a shoe, the horse was lost.
    For the want of a horse, the rider was lost.
    For the want of a rider, the battle was lost.
    For the want of a battle, the kingdom was lost.
    And all for the want of a horse-shoe nail."
     
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    No. All you have to do is watch a compilation of Harden’s 3 point attempts in game 1. There are some around here in the GARM and you could do a search, or do a search on Google. That, and understand the rules. They’re described in this thread and elsewhere. The defender is required to not impede upon the space under the shooter. If they deliberately move into the space where the shooter is going to land, it is either a technical foul or a flagrant foul. The rule was made after a player defending Kawhi Leonard did just that and Leonard suffered a season ending injury.
     
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    Conspiracy? Ooo, I hope not. However, someone told me the data sent in is saved in a frozen envelope w/the names Zion and Knicks on it. What does this mean???

    Can you post the Amick piece? Thnx.
     
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    Chicken **** from loud Warriors "fans" on Twitter who haven't watched basketball pre-2014.
     
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    Harden is even fouled on his follow thru. Can't land or follow thru
     
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    flopping, more flagrant than Divac during his playing days, by the Beard
    • jumping forward, to the defender, when he shoots the 3
      • classic jump shooters (the logo, Reggie Miller, Ray Allen, Curry, KD) jump straight down
    • leaning sideway/backward, to the defender, when he is driving to the hole
    only the top-graded refs are invited to the playoff; they're not fooled by the Beard's flopping
    perhaps, that's why the Beard has not enjoyed as much success in the playoff

    but, i don''t blame the Beard for flopping; it's part of the game
     
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    Wouldn't that be...collusion? Both in adjusting the rule (adjusting the rule? for a specific playoff series? How is that NOT collusion????), and it telling the Warriors about it. Were the Rockets liked told?

    Not a bad idea. I'm more of the old school hockey mentality. Send someone deep on the bench out there to take Klay OUT. Make a specific point after the game of saying this was necessary because the officials refuse to officiate in a fair manner. Pay the fine, but create a mess for the NBA.
    We should do likewise...but anyone here think they won't then call the Rockets for the foul, while still not calling them on the Warriors? Remember the intent here is to have the Warriors win.
     
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    He isn’t flopping, in fact, he didn’t have a landing spot on 5 occasions before that play. He’s trying to kick out, in real time without understanding where Draymond is, so that Draymond doesn’t come closer and land under his feet and injure his ankles like so many times that could have occurred prior to end of the game. If you have ever played ball as a shooter, that is the worst thing that can happen is landing with ankles twisted and back and head to the ground. That hurts with all your weight and momentum coming down.
     
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    that's because he jumps forward into the defender


    again,

    only the top-graded refs are doing the playoff. they're not fooled by by the beard's flopping​
     
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    So, by 'flopping' you mean taking a normal jump shot (jumping forward is SPECIFICALLY allowed in the rule, and is not uncommon at all on threes. It helps in engaging your legs in the shot. That kind of 'flopping'?

    Only the top graded refs can be counted on to successfully carry forward the NBA's wishes. Don't discount that aspect. That's the only explanation here. Unless you, or the NBA, is willing to state that these veterans refs are just incompetent. Those are the the only two options for these missed calls, which CLEARLY violate NBA rules.

    FWIW...there have been shooters (the Rockets had the master at it) that specifically kicked out there legs to draw these fouls. I was strongly against that..and the rules were modified to make that an offensive foul. If indeed what Harden were doing was intentional, it would be illegal, and the refs would STILL have made the wrong call.

    So, which is it...Bad calls, or bad calls? Hmmmm? Only one of them, the first, really makes sense, particularly when viewed with historical context and analytics.
     
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    Everyone and their Mama jumps forward on jump shots. Go outside, grab a women’s basketball, and shoot it even from standing still jump shot you will move forward, unless you can’t jump worth a lick.
     
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    Irrelevant. There is nothing wrong with jumping forward, and the rule SPECIFICALLY makes this point.

    Is any player really going to do that, and risk serious injury which could easily take them out of the playoffs?? Why do you think they created the ZaZa rule? Because of its DANGER.
     
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    Nope. The defender is in motion: he does not have any position for Harden to jump into. That is why Harden was not called for fouls on those plays.

    On the other hand, the shooter does have a position and does have the right to shoot the ball, and there is no requirement that his jump be vertical. Did you know: a shooter can be going backward while shooting? It is legal. A shooter can also be going forward while shooting! And the defender is flying through the air, and has no position, so the shooter does not have responsibility for the contact.
     
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    ESPN needs to be called out. They are editing comments in all their videos in favor of the Warriors they also got their talking heads against us.

    ESPN=FOX news
     
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    Yeah, you just proved how little you know. It's not flopping if he actually gets fouled, and both yesterday's referees and former referee Steve Javie admitted he was. I don't give a **** what Warriors homers and wannabe journalists think on Twitter.

    It's not Harden's fault that the rules are screwed up. His basketball intelligence is off the charts. If the league doesn't like how he's exploiting a rule, then that is their fault. Change it. Until then, call the rules as they are on the books. It's the only fair way to referee any game.
     
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    To the people saying make your shots, didn't Harden and CP3 both hit a three when they were fouled? I know one of the Klay no calls Harden actually made. Shooting 25% or 33% on 3's where you are fouled actually seems pretty decent to me.
     

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