France is ****ed. It’s a giant suburb of Paris that maintains colonial dominance over central Africa. France is not and has never been an industrious nation. It’s a nation built on exploitation and war of the non-French. It’s 19th century America without Rockerfeller and Carnegie. The USA would be Brazil if we had been like France instead of England.
That's what happens when you let too many of them in. Intifada in Europe. Germany has the same problem, it's only a matter of time. Wherever there are enough of them, this happens.
Or maybe it’s what happens when you marginalize and discriminate against them instead of finding ways to integrate and them in and help them develop economically and socially. To tie back to a current hit button issue in the US France is an example of where pretending to be completely colorblind / blind to differences in ethnicities and religious differences doesn’t fully work. The French view has been to say everyone is French and should behave French. That’s another one of these idealistic utopian views that failed to address entrenched disparities and other inherent differences and instead just papering over them. The US is far from perfect and forced assimilation of Native Americans was disastrous. At leas the US has tried to address such differences pluralistically such as making accommodations for religion and addressing historical wrongs. Also what makes Americans American isn’t religion, language or ethnicity. The French claim it’s Egalite, Liberte, Fraternite, but in practice it’s not that.
Also these riots are less about religion and about the killing of a young man of Algerian descent by a French LEO. One who is being investigated for voluntary homicide. This is more their version of George Floyd than a religious riot.
How is France not like that? It's amusing that you think Algerian migrants would gaf about Egalite/Liberte/Fraternite
Don't see how capitalism is relevant here. This is all ridiculous. I think this is closer to the truth. French are more culturally committed to color blindness, making it harder to address social equity issues. They find the American way of tracking statistics by race offensive, to which I would say you can't manage what you don't measure. And they have long felt the threat of cultural extinction from the dominance of British and American cultural exports and now the influx of Muslims from the former colonies, which makes them keen to try to defend 'Frenchness.' They also have an anti-religious secular streak that deeply conflicts with the devoutness of Muslims. So you have conflict between more nativist impulses that would like immigrants to conform and immigrants that are racially, religiously, and culturally different that can't and don't want to conform. The friction causes the nativist to find more and more oppressive ways to enforce conformity, and causes the immigrants to circle the wagons and become more insular. All of this isn't all that foreign from the American experience either. But it's not a good dynamic. I think Americans are on a better track in recognizing that color blindness isn't enough to address inequity (though we're backsliding at the moment).
Don't think that's so. They see Western countries have pretty decent rule of law, low corruption, well-ordered economies, functional institutions, and they'd like to have those things in their own countries, but destabilizing forces like power-hubgry politicians, endemic corruption, gangs, or interfering foreign governments and corporations make it virtually impossible. So they come to the countries that have these things so they can partake too. They don't necessarily want to assimilate but want to participate as themselves.
I think you’re getting into hysteria just like these folks looting France is a pretty shitty country, people acting like it is remotely open to people that don’t do things exactly like them (even other Europeans) and some cultural pot are lying. It’s not. Hijabs banned while allowing nuns to do their thing. Snobbish for the smalles things is norm culturally rhe people looting need to be shot with rubber bullets too and prosecuted
America doesn't have a problem with immigrants despite what Trumpers believe. I don't know much about the iFrench ssues but they are with immigrants. Black people from this country used to wish America was more like France during Jim Crow. Black Americans have long assimilated The reason immigrants come to Americans is because there is plenty of resources to go around. I understand immigrants are leaving for France for prosperity but there isn't plenty to go around
French immigration is different than American Most are from North Africa where they speak French anyways. @basso It’s not the same as random people crossing the rio grande. If France had that many illegals they couldn’t maintain their government or economy.
