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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    definitely a new thread. but seems to me it's gotta wait for them to officially declare. Agree with your point from the other thread--Schumer and Pelosi were a disaster, they should have gone with Klobuchar
     
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    Theey were poor choices... I would have had a young, likable person or people that would have humanized the Democrat response. Klobuchar did that. Beto would have done that (especially if done remote from the border, much like he has already done.

    That said, they didn't need to convince anyone... just counter trump. It was up to trump to make his case to all Americans (not just to his base). The momentum was going against him (republican congressmen defecting, polls growing against the wall). If you were to be honest, I don't think anyone not hyperpartisan can say trump said changed any minds not already made. He didn't sputter, or spit on himself, but his arguments were the same he has been making for months. And while Pelosi and Schumer looked bad, at worst it was the positions are the same as before last night.

    I really don't think trump thinks he will get his wall. trump didn't pull the national emergency card, and that appears to be the only move he has left. He told reporters that he views the border visit as waste of time photo op, I suspect he only views the national emergency card as a way to complain he didn't get his wall and how the media and courts are against him since he has to know that if he does try it the courts will shut it down.
     
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    I didn't think he was likely to pull the national emergency card at all up until today, now I think there's a 50/50 chance he actually does that. What matters now I think to Trump is saving face (and actually that should genuinely matter to all Americans, it's in nobody's interests to have a 100% politically diminished President in office for the next two years). Calling a national emergency and moving ahead with "progress on the wall" allows him to do that, even if it is immediately stalled by the inevitable court challenges. At that point I agree with you that he can simply fall back on "see, my opponents are against me fulfilling my promise to the American people." In that case I think it's a win-win politically for both sides.
     
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    I think she found her campaign slogan should she get the nomination.

    Amy Klobuchar - I've got an umbrella.
     
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    The empire strikes back.

    For those who have been on the verge of being carried away in their imaginations of the upcoming Democrat presidential primary contest being a three-way between Bernie, Beto and E-War, you may want to calm down and hold your proverbial horses. The Democrat party establishment still runs this party and despite reforms to the DNC and the primary process, still has the greatest amount of influence and control over who wins and who represents the party.

    Joe Biden has not officially declared his candidacy yet, but he is apparently spreading the message that he is not only the Democrat's best hope - wait for it - he is their ONLY hope. Wow. Talk about 'self confidence'.

    Here We Go: Biden Reportedly Telling Associates He's the Democrats' Best -- or Only -- Shot at Beating Trump

    Former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. is in the final stages of deciding whether to run for president and has told allies he is skeptical the other Democrats eyeing the White House can defeat President Trump, an assessment that foreshadows a clash between the veteran Washington insider and the more liberal and fresh-faced contenders for the party’s 2020 nomination.

    Many Democratic voters, and nearly all major Democratic donors, are keenly interested in Mr. Biden’s plans because of their consuming focus on finding a candidate who can beat a president they believe represents a threat to American democracy. But there is also a rising demand in the party for a more progressive standard-bearer who reflects the increasingly diverse Democratic coalition. “He has the best chance of beating Trump, hands down,” said Senator Tom Carper of Delaware, Mr. Biden’s longtime friend and former colleague. “On a scale of one to 10, that’s probably about a 12 for us.”...​

    Personally, I do not believe Biden is either the Democrat's best hope or their only hope. In fact, Trump would surely smile at the prospect of facing 'Uncle Joe' Biden as the Democrat's presidential nominee. Trump will very likely roll over Biden like a Sherman tank.

    In fact, if the Democrat's want to go with an establishment candidate again, I hesitate to mention it, but former Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffe would be a much better choice, and one that Trump would likely have a more difficult time with. Another candidate that I have mentioned who would be eagerly embraced by the Democrat party establishment would be Amy Klobuchar. I think she would have a more difficult time than McAuliffe in winning the nomination, but she would be an awkwardly difficult challenge for Trump in a general election contest.

    Anyway, get ready for Joe Biden as the early favorite of the Democrat establishment, with all the advantages that this entails. While I think he would be a lazy mistake for the Democrats - which I do not believe the Democrat voters are in the mood to make just now - he could certainly end up as the nominee for the Democrats in the 2020 presidential contest.
     
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    Joe will make an early exit. He has all the boringness of Warren without any of the leftwing credentials.
     
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    I roughly agree with that, although there are a lot of Democrats who are not as leftwing as many on this board and in the media.

    Joe also has the habit of accidentally telling the truth at inopportune times (gaffs), which does not bode well for politicians in our current time. I know he was Obama's Vice President and I would be fine with him being the Democrat's nominee. But it does not appear to me that he has it in him, and I could be wrong, but the mood of the Democrat left electorate is not in favor of an establishment placeholder as their presidential nominee this time around.
     
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    With Trump making such a big deal out of the wall, Beto might be uniquely situated among the Democratic contenders, being from El Paso, to be the voice of the opposition. Given his other strengths for the task -- charisma, work ethic, staying on message, being tall -- he might be the best guy to run against Trump. Just not sure he's got the killer instinct.
     
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    California Billionaire Tom Steyer will apparently not be entering the clown car and will instead remain focused on efforts to promote the impeachment of President Trump.

    Calif. Billionaire Tom Steyer Shifts Focus From Presidential Run To Impeaching Trump

    Billionaire Tom Steyer will not run for president in 2020, he told reporters in Iowa on Wednesday, ending months of speculation that the Democratic donor would escalate his efforts to defeat President Donald Trump by attempting to take him on at the ballot box.

    Steyer, a 61-year-old hedge fund manager, said he will instead focus on his efforts to take on Trump from the outside, namely through Need to Impeach, a group he founded after Trump’s win in 2016 that looked to garner public support around impeaching Trump.​
     
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    Isn't a clown car necessary for the Democrats to make it to the full on circus that is the current White House?
     
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    Agree 100%. And this, but giving governor abbott, ted cruz, and george p. bush credit for speaking out against this...

    Tarrant County GOP set to vote on whether to remove vice-chairman because he's Muslim
    https://www.texastribune.org/2019/01/09/tarrant-county-gop-muslim-shahid-shafi/
     
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    Get your seat belts on and batten down the hatches. Kamala Harris is preparing to join the race. With that, the "Identity politics" and "Political correctness" volume nob is going to be turned up quite a bit, and it is not likely to get turned down again until she exits the race, if she does. Personally, I regard Kamala as one of the early Democrat party frontrunners, and she might even be the frontrunner for the entire contest, as in she may actually have the best chance to actually win the nomination.

    Kamala Harris set to toss hat into presidential ring:

    Sen. Kamala Harris has decided to seek the 2020 Democratic nomination for president, sources close to her told KCBS Radio. She'll announce her candidacy on or around Martin Luther King Day, probably at a campaign rally in Oakland, the sources said.

    Harris, 54, has been making the rounds of television talk shows and appearing at several events this week as part of a brief tour to promote her new book, "The Truths We Hold: An American Journey."​

    Also expected to contend in the Democrat's "Identity politics" and "Political correctness" bracket are former Obama AG Eric Holder and current New Jersey Senator Corey Booker, and possibly several others as well. All of these candidates will substantially embrace the socialist economic platform, but they are expected to focus heavily enough on racial issues that the other Democrats will have to help raise the banner for this issue, because, 'intersectionality', you all.

    Hang on to your hats, here we go. Remember all the racial ad hominem attacks during the Hillary Clinton campaign and while Obama was in office? We will see, but it just might be that you ain't seen nothing yet if Harris, Holder and Booker all enter the fray.

    While this strategy is probably good for winning the Democrat's primary contest, it is probably not so good for winning a general election.
     
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    Warren gonna be the odd man out so to speak
     
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    I think so, but not in this bracket. She will be competing with Bernie and Beto in the socialist bracket. But in that bracket, I agree that she is likely to be the odd 'man' out.
     
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    lol Mocoman quotes from an article from an infamous right wing site which suggests that the dullard centrist Governor Terry McAuliffe would be the best Democratic candidate.
     
  19. MojoMan

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    Forget what the site says. This was my opinion. It is my sense that Terry McAullife is a stronger candidate within the establishment bracket of the Democrat party presidential contest than Joe Biden is.

    I know that may seem weird to you, that someone might actually develop their own opinions and perspectives, independent of what some other source says. But I guess I am weird like that, presumably unlike you.
     
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