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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Jan 1, 2019.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Well I guess different strokes for different folks but I just don't see any benefit of debating someone who isn't debating in good faith and is just mainly trolling.
     
  2. MojoMan

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    I am not really here to debate with you. Discuss perhaps, as long as we can do that in a reasonably civil fashion. Which pretty clearly is a problem for a number of left leaning posters around here.

    In any case, to the extent that you think that people who you disagree with are trolling just because they refuse to capitulate and abandon or alter their views when confronted by your intolerance, your harassment, your rudeness, your bullying, and your name calling, you might want to think through that and realize that it is not them who are the trolls here.

    The lack of self awareness of some people around here is truly astonishing.
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    It's not mere disagreement. It's malong points in bad faith such as you pretending to genuinely believe that people considered Michael avenatti as a serious candidate.

    If I created a similar thread of GOP candidates, with political cartoons and memes on every other page you also would believe I'm just trying to get a ride out of liberal posters.

    But I don't. I try to post in good faith as much as possible here.
     
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    You guys totally have this in the bag. You should probably just stop trying, kick back and coast to victory.

    I totally don't understand the impulse to play up big leads in elections. Seems like what you'd want to do is make your guys think it is really close and if their votes could be the difference between winning and losing. I wouldn't want to make my voters feel like it's no big deal if they don't bother to show up.
     
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    Here are just of the few articles that were considering and promoting a presidential run by Avenatti as a Democrat. There are many, many more. Google it and see for yourself.

    CNN - President Michael Avenatti? Never say never!
    Politico - Michael Avenatti Is Winning the 2020 Democratic Primary
    The Week - Don't underestimate Michael Avenatti 2020
    Atlantic - Avenatti 2020 Was Probably Inevitable
    Huffington Post - Michael Avenatti ‘Seriously Considering’ 2020 Run Against Trump


    Also, clearly the cartoons that I have been posting have struck a nerve. This is an example of the saying, you know you are over the target when you are getting flack.

    And no, I will not stop posting political cartoons, nor will I limit my posting to comply with whatever rules or regulations that you take it upon yourself to provide to me.

    Seriously, what arrogance.
     
  6. MojoMan

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    Wow. MSNBC's Chris Matthews is predicting that Lieawatha is going to blow Bernie Sanders out, early. From the Huffington Post:

    Chris Matthews Makes Bold Prediction About Elizabeth Warren Beating Bernie Sanders

    “I think she’ll blow out Bernie pretty early on. Bernie will lose his votes to her,” said the host of MSNBC’s “Hardball.”

    He explained:

    I think Elizabeth Warren can win Iowa, because she’s very aggressive, very progressive, activists show up. We know how it works. The more moderate people don’t show up that often. She goes to New Hampshire, home court. Then she goes to Nevada, a big labor state; she could win three in a row. She’s the one who could start really fast. I think she’ll blow out Bernie pretty early on. Bernie will lose his votes to her.​

    This is quite a prediction. Something to keep an eye on.
     
  7. Cohete Rojo

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    Democrats: fulfilling the prophecies of Cyberpunk 2020.

     
  8. MojoMan

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    Rush Limbaugh weighs in. He thinks Joe Biden is finished because certain segments of the establishment Democrat left and the media are turning on him with a view towards getting him out of the race. Limbaugh says that these people believe Biden cannot win and they do not want to wait for the inevitable.

    How You Know It’s All Over for Joe Biden

    Joe Biden. This guy is finished. It’s over, and you know how you know it’s over? It’s nothing to do with this segregation business, although I think that’s the trigger for it. But you want to know how this is over? Well, let’s go to audio sound bite number 10. This is ABC News. This is Good Morning America today. This is a portion of chief national affairs correspondent Tom Llamas’ report about Hunter Biden’s business dealings in Ukraine and with the ChiComs.

    {more at the link}

    That’s it, folks. If ABC News is going after the Hunter Biden-ChiCom-Ukraine scandal, it’s over. Somebody in the Democrat-media complex has decided it’s time to take Plugs out. Don’t know the specific reason. We’ve been talking about these deals. Conservative media has educated their audiences on all of this China, Ukraine, Joe Biden setting his sons up to become obscenely wealthy. Nobody was interested. Now, all of a sudden, out of the clear blue… It’s not in the clear blue.

    {Still more at the link}

    Guess what? New York Page Six, New York Post Page Six. “Hunter Biden accused of fathering child with Arkansas woman.” Folks, I’m telling you, the decision has been made by the media, which is the Democrat Party. Remember, I have been saying for the last couple years that it’s the media leading Democrat Party. The media is gonna vet Democrat candidates. The media is gonna decide which of those people is the Democrat nominee. I am convinced of it.

    So Rush Limbaugh is calling it here. He is usually right about this kind of thing. And who here that is going to vote Democrat believes that the Democrats and the media are enthusiastically behind this guy right now? They are squirming like crazy.

    Now I have to say it is still all a little fuzzy to me, because if the establishment Democrat left is going to give up on Biden, there is not a clear and plausible choice who will represent their interests the way that Hillary would have or that Joe Biden would. The rest of this crew - at least those who are even near 5% in the polls - are all out there a ways and are not going to be dependable establishment choices.

    Bernie? LOL. Nope. Kamala Harris or Corey Booker? It does not look like it. Beto? {Insert facepalm here}.

    Two choices left - Pocahontas and Mayor Pete. By the media coverage I have seen over the last two weeks, it appears that these people are moving to promote Elizabeth Warren as their new preferred front-runner. And if Rush Limbaugh is right, the partisan Democrat left media will play a determinative role in picking the nominee for the Democrats.

    This is starting to remind me a bit of the 2012 Republican primary contest, where the base and others were fishing around for alternative candidates to Mitt Romney, moving from Newt Gingrich to Herman Cain, etc. They instinctively knew that they needed to go a different way, but they were not sure which way to go. It looks like the Democrats are starting to go through a similar process.

    Will it all end with a similar result?
     
  9. Os Trigonum

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    I think Warren is getting the good coverage and is likely the Newly Anointed
     
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    That is what it looks like to me. In fact, here is an article from Politico - a bastion of establishment Democrat political media if ever there was one - who is now proclaiming that Warren is a "compromise" candidate. This strikes me as them saying they realize she is not as establishment oriented as they would like, but what other choices are there?

    Warren emerges as potential compromise nominee
    Centrists who once said the senator would lead the party to ruin are coming around to her as an alternative to Bernie Sanders.

    There was a time not so long ago when leading Democrats warned that Elizabeth Warren’s “fantasy-based blue-state populism” risked leading the party to ruin.

    But in a revealing tell of how far her campaign has come since its early February launch, some unlikely voices in the center of the party are growing more comfortable with the idea of Warren as the nominee.

    It’s a sign of how the ideological lanes of the 2020 primary have blurred and overlapped and of the steady progress Warren is making as a candidate. But it’s also a statement on Bernie Sanders, Warren’s top rival for progressive votes. Sanders continues to face significant resistance from within the party — and nowhere more so than among the moderates and establishment players who blanch at his talk of democratic socialism.​

    Blah, blah, blah. The whole article goes on and on about her being an alternative to Sanders. But what really matters is that they appear to be presenting her as an alternative to Biden.
     
  11. MojoMan

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    Bill Maher weighs in on the the talk about "Reparations and concentration camps" during his show on Friday. He believes that if these are the kind of issues the Democrats are going to focus on over the next year and a half, then that is going to make it "Very hard" for the Democrats to win in 2020.

    Maher: 'Very hard' to win in 2020 if Democrats run on 'reparations and concentration camps'

    The perspective from Maher comes after Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) received considerable backlash from both sides of the aisle on Tuesday after she compared migrant detention facilities at the border to "concentration camps." His remark also references a renewed push, both by Democrats on Capitol Hill and some presidential candidates, to seriously look into a case for reparations for slavery.

    “If you want to run a campaign based on reparations and concentration camps, then it's going to be very hard to win the election, I'm not saying you can't do it, I’m not saying you can’t do it, but very hard to argue that this is helping," Maher said to a smattering of applause from the studio audience.

    After liberal radio talk show host Thom Hartmann dismissed the backlash against Ocasio-Cortez, pointing instead to Trump accusing the New York Times of treason, which he said "is punishable by death," Maher pushed back with disbelief.

    “Come on, when we think of concentration camps, I think of mass graves, I think of experimenting on human people.”​

    I disagree with Bill Maher about a great deal, but he is obviously right about this.

    Seriously, "Reparations and concentration camps"? Have these people truly lost their minds, or what?
     
  12. MojoMan

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    Maher is not going to vote for Trump, that is a mortal lock certainty. But he appears to not be very impressed by the current field of candidates for the Democrats this time around. Fortunately, he has a recommended alternative. Oprah.

    Maher mocks 2020 Dems, implores Oprah to run: She is only 'sure-thing winner'

    HBO's Bill Maher implored Oprah Winfrey to run against President Trump in 2020 while expressing doubts around the current crop of 24 candidates on the Democratic side, arguing she is the only "sure-fire winner" for the opposition party.

    “I am telling you, at this particular moment in history and in this particular election year, she is the only candidate who is a sure-thing winner for the Democrats,” Maher said on Friday during his show "Real Time."

    “No pressure," the host added.

    Maher also noted the power of candidates with star power in modern politics. "Never underestimate the power of being in people's living rooms for decades. That's what got Trump elected," Maher said. "This is now an as-seen-on-TV country."

    {more at the link}​

    Maher makes an interesting point about Oprah's celebrity. She is very well known. Better known than possibly every other candidate currently running for the Democrats.

    Food for thought. I keep wondering who there might still be that could come in off of the bench or out of the stands and give this field a spark. Maybe Oprah could do that, like Maher says.
     
  13. fchowd0311

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    Bill Maher also thought Hillary Clinton was a good candidate and backtracked because of hindsight.
     
  14. fchowd0311

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    Ya, if Maher's credibility was any more lacking, this is the final nail in the coffin.
     
  15. KingCheetah

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    When Oprah and Hillary make their moves watch out.
     
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    And Elizabeth Warren. You might want to add her to that list.
     
  17. fchowd0311

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    It's amazing how at the beginning of this thread, you trivialized her campaign expecting her to be amongst the first batch to drop out. It's as if your only understanding of Warren came through memes about Pochantas. Now she is gaining more support and is firmly third while Biden is trending down and she is trending up.

    She's the most serious, most intelligent and the most nuanced candidate of all the field.
     
  18. MojoMan

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    If you say so.
     
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    I don't think Pocahontas has a realistic shot -- do you have some advice I can forward to her team?
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    Ya, not to read Clutchfans D&D.
     
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