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Ready The Clown Car: The First Batch of Democrats Are Ready To Announce Their 2020 Bids

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  1. cml750

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    Actually with some of the new laws they support, they are for abortion even AFTER birth.
     
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    this is kind of fun. "The Primary System Is Broken. Here’s How to Fix It." more at the link.

    Perhaps parties should move to a March Madness-style single elimination tournament to boot the attention-seekers who attach themselves like lampreys to the race. The tournament would run 5 rounds with 10 states participating per round. (The ten states would be geographically diverse and rotate every four years, so as not to have regional bias toward specific candidates.)

    In the first week, all the weaklings are weeded out. The first 10 states vote, and the top five vote-getters move on to the next round. Every week from then on, one candidate is eliminated, until the fifth week, which is the final matchup between the top two hopefuls. This would give a truer representation of who a party wants to represent them in November.

    Is this a perfect system? Of course not. But the point is that we currently have a problem where running for president is like playing free poker online; without anything at stake, players simply push everything to the middle of the table on every hand knowing if they lose, they just show up the next day and do it all over again. For there to be any order in our elections, losing has to hurt.

    Perhaps parties should require their candidates have some skin in the game so they actually feel pain if they lose. They could require each candidate to put up $500,000 of their own money, winner-takes-all. Is it really crazy to think that running a presidential campaign should take as much of a personal investment as opening a Jamba Juice.

    The system as we have it is ripe for abuse by people with no capacity for embarrassment who have discovered that they can grift their way to faux respectability. The incentive structure favors fringe candidates with rabid followers who could never compete in a small field of competent professionals.

    Consequently, we all must Make Shame Great again, as it seems unlikely we’ll be able to count on President Avenatti to do so.​

    https://thebulwark.com/the-primary-system-is-broken-heres-how-to-fix-it/
     
  3. Os Trigonum

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    this should work. say, how come we don't have an Official Delaney for President thread? I.D.I.O.T.

     
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    Ya that's stupid.
     
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    But Hillary.
     
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    No wonder Democrats want to lower the voting age while turning toward socialism.

    “Now that’s fair”.

     
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  8. MojoMan

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    From the RCP Poll average:

    Democratic Presidential Nomination

    29.3 - Biden
    23.0 - Sanders
    08.3 - Harris
    07.5 - Buttigieg
    06.5 - Warren
    06.3 - O'Rourke
    03.5 - Booker
    01.5 - Klobuchar
    01.5 - Yang
    01.3 - Castro
    01.0 - Hickenlooper
    00.8 - Gillibrand
    00.7 - Ryan
    00.5 - Gabbard
    00.3 - Inslee
    00.3 - Delaney​

    So if this poll is anything close to correct, despite the length of the list of candidates, we could actually be looking at a two-person race. While Biden is currently up over Sanders, all but probably 4-5 candidates will be out by the end of the first four primaries (Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, South Carolina - all smaller states).

    When all of these extra candidates eventually withdraw, who will their supporters in the states after the first four support?
     
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    Wow. Biden has apparently received a huge bump now that he is in the race. Who expected this kind of a change? From CNN:


    So now Biden is up over Sanders by 24 and at least 31 over everyone else. Is this for real? Or is it 'Fake News'?

    Are the Democrats going to rubber stamp the establishment's pick straight into the final round, yet again? Really?
     
  12. fchowd0311

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    Name recognition is carrying Biden at the moment. Actual progressivs who prefer nuanced policy discussion over cringy "values" discussion are never going to like someone like Biden. They also don't like how cozy he is with telecom companies.

    Shocker, people don't like Biden based on genuine merit.
     
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    You are talking about how Democrats DON'T like Biden. But they clearly appear to like him more than any other candidate, if the poll above is anywhere even in the vicinity of being trustworthy.

    A 25 point lead over the #2 candidate? Wow. If that is even close to right, Biden may walk away with this contest.
     
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    Did you read my comment about name recognition?Most of these polling samples, the respondents just chose the most well known name early in a campaign season.

    Biden's support is very soft. Not many passionate supporters and he isn't the type to ramp up turnout. The moment other candidates start getting more air time in places like debates, Biden's poll numbers will drop. He's being carried purely on name recognition along with the establishment MSM media backing him.

    MSM owned by telecom giants love candidates like Biden who are "values preachy" with no substance.
     
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    Biden's campaign spot narrated by President Obama

     
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    On the one hand, I don't Biden is a substantial enough candidate to make his lead last when we really get into primary season. On the other hand, there doesn't really seem to be any other significant candidate trying to take the same market of back-to-normalcy centrism that Biden represents. So, what do I know?
     
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    The only candidate for the Democrats that is getting passionate support is Bernie Sanders. Mayor Pete has gotten a certain amount of support because none of the rest of the candidates are generating any passionate support. Bernie could win the nomination, but Mayor Pete as next in line with the most passionate support? And why does he get the support that he does?

    The media apparently thinks that Biden is the only one of these candidates that can beat Trump and they will be promoting his candidacy accordingly. It is already happening in fact. We have seen this movie before and I am already starting to feel a little deja vu.

    It is astonishing to me in a very disappointing way how the Democrat left media and the Democrat party establishment types are treating Bernie Sanders. Not because I support him, but rather because he deserves to be treated with respect. If the Democrats are not careful, they are going to make a martyr out of this guy.
     
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    I think the MSM has a genuine interest in not wanting more proggresive economic reform given who owns MSM.

    Bernie isn't even my favorite candidate. I think he's pretty bad at expressing proggresive economic policy to people who can have their minds changed. He's a platilatidies guy who repeats the same lines over and over. He's great for people who already love him.

    I think the media is more afraid of Warren as she has more competence and persuasive ability on her side as she is willing to do deep policy dive discussions. MSM doesn't like when candidates speak about policy in nuance. They love the Buttigieg types that run on platitudes.
     
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    The question isn't whether or not some of the democratic base do not like Biden - they clearly do not.

    The real question is will the base show up to vote for Biden against Trump.

    How many moderates will support Biden? How will Biden do in places like Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin and Florida?

    I don't know the answer to those questions.... as there is a clear generational gap emerging in the USA.
     

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