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Bernie is still living in an era of central planning and collectivism. Unfortunately its just a lack of understanding of basic
human behavior. Governments and bureaucrats have failed for one hundred years at solving the worlds problems.

The unlocking of human potential through a capitalist system has done more for social mobility and life changes than
any force in history.

 

Amazing platitudes.

It's a combination of both public collectivism and free markets that generates human progress.

The free market has limits in its innovation abilities. Imagine how large publicly owned companies are operated. Shareholders are temporary investors in a company who reshuffles their investments often with no loyalty to the sustainability of one company 20 years down the line and the executives running the company at the behest of the shareholders are also temporary employees who average 1-3 years of tenure in their position and move on to other companies and only care about maximizing profits for those select years they are executives of said company to add to their resume for the next company to hire them. They also don't have any incentive to care about the sustainability of a company 20 years in the future. Hence any project they invest in, they need to see a cash flow diagram where profits are generated within a few years or else they deem the project not profitable. Hence there is little insensitive for these companies to invest in research and development for projects that will benefit them 10 years down the line.

This is where public research comes in. Where do you think the core technology for the internet came from? So much of our medical research is also publicly funded.

Society pools resources together to tackle long term problems that can't be solved in a free market that only cares about quarterly profits.

 

Well I guess we agree on something for once.

I'm not a Bernie supporter. Hell, 2 months ago I considered Warren as my favorite choice.

I have a problem with her not nipping the "Bernie is a sexist" narrative in the butt on that debate stage tonight when the topic came up.

She didn't attempt to put Bernie's words in context and just went with the narrative that Bernie believes a women can't be voted in as President with zero push back and went on a rant about how all the male candidates lose to GOP candidates and how a woman should be the nominee.

She took advantage of the "Bernie is sexist" narrative.



That is disgusting.

 

The point I was making that human beings have an unconscious bias to vote for candidates who have indicators of power, and that puts women at an automatic disadvantage in this context. The Democrats have the same problem the Republicans do. The Democrats do have this counter-current of proactively looking to elect a woman, but that's different from this more basic instinct.

As for the Warren-Sanders disagreement, this is what I think happened. In a private conversation, Sanders tells Warren that the voting deficit caused by her being a woman will be a problem and he doesn't think a woman will win in 2020. Warren, fading in the polls and seeing Sanders trying to poach her voters, reveals what he said trying to intimate that he's being sexist -- the "woman card" I guess if you want. Sanders says it's not true but pulls a tricksy little pivot, denying that he said a woman "couldn't be" president. The allegation was that a woman couldn't beat Trump and his response didn't line up to the framing of the accusation. That leaves me to believe it is essentially true that he did say it and now he's trying to weasel out of it with little weasel words.

And then there's the weird twist in the feminism narrative here, at least in how I imagine it went. Sanders basically accuses the electorate of being too misogynist to elect a female president. Warren, arguing for her own electability, ends up defending the electorate saying they're not sexist. But the reaction is to cast Sanders as the sexist because he dared to name the sexism that female candidates face.

But I don't really care. Don't care if Sanders did say any such thing, maybe because I agree. Don't care if Warren used it for campaign purposes. The role of women in leadership is an important issue in current politics, especially since Hillary's candidacy, but one that people are too 'polite' to talk about. The whole squabble seems pretty minor because I'm inclined to believe that Warren and Sanders and most of the bases for both are all basically in agreement about women in politics anyway. It would take a very different aspect if the argument was between Warren and Trump, or Warren and Bloomberg, or whatever.

 

You don't care of a candidate who calls someone a friend takes advantage of false accusations of calling him a misogynist based on leaks of a private conversation by her staff all over the national media to help her election goals?

 

There can be only one.

No, I don't care. Aren't they competing against each other for the nomination? How long can this non-compete really go on? It's not really any different than Harris calling Biden a racist essentially, except that I was supposed to believe these two were "friends."

Doesn't it tell me something about Warren's character that she'd stab the dude in the back? Not really. I can't tell if he takes it as a betrayal or as politics as usual. Besides which, didn't he break the non-compete by trying to poach her voters? So no I don't think it's a big deal and I don't care about it.

 

Both of them are trying to poach each other voters. That what a primary is. Bernie doing an equally low blow would be Bernie's campaign pushing out a narrative that Warren is racist because of her native American fiasco.

 

I think Kamala trying to say "racist not racist" about Biden and Gillibrand trying to say "sexist not sexist" were probably more pointed and worse.

 

Yes, I'm referring to the rumor that Warren and Sanders allegedly agreed to not attack one another. And like you say that can't go on forever.

 

This is a tried, true and proven method. Voters do not give a shiet about a candidate until they have some sort of personal contact with that candidate. I worked with a nurse and back then Obama was virtually an unknown, and my friend was knocking on door to door for Obama about a year and half before he was elected. This is what the YangGang doing now, going door to door for Andrew, because they know that’s the only way their man will have a chance. The decks are stacked against Andrew and his YangGang because the polls are rigged, and the corrupt DNC and the fake news are making sure their campaign stay invisible.

 

How are the polls rigged?

 

Questions or Question?

I did not know Turley was such a drama queen looking for those clicks.

If he is that concerned he can take it up with CNN since he already works there.

 

this is HUGE