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President Donald Trump is not racist

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by dachuda86, Aug 14, 2019.

  1. biff17

    biff17 Member

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    What?
     
  2. Nolen

    Nolen Contributing Member

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    I haven't read through the whole thread, so my apologies if this has already been covered:

    What would constitute proof of racism to you?

    I think we have different definitions of "racist" and "racism". I'd genuinely like to hear your definitions, and what you think would constitute proof of it. (And if you want to hear mine, I'll give it.)
     
  3. B-Bob

    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Well, definitely not circumstantial stuff like retweeting white supremacists, decrying the central park five, discriminating against black tenants, or leading the charge of birtherism against a black president. I mean, has he murdered a black person or anything? See, I didn't think so.
     
  5. biff17

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    I had to watch that a couple of times to see exactly what was going on.

    That guy must have been a real dick because nobody cared he went into the drink.
     
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    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    New Day and Trump is still a racist ass.

    DD
     
  7. dachuda86

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    I go by a standard dictionary definition. I think you will be hard pressed to prove he is racist. Otherwise there would be no debate.
     
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    Which dictionary?
     
  9. JuanValdez

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    Argumentum ad dictionarium. :D
     
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    B-Bob "94-year-old self-described dreamer"

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    Sorry, but someone has to post: this one, the Foxworthy version (you can't make that name up).
     
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    CometsWin Breaker Breaker One Nine

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    The more you repeat this the more I suspect you're a flat Earther.
     
  12. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    What's odd is that by the dictionary, Trump is definitely a racist. Dictionaries define a racist as showing or feeling discrimination or prejudice against people of other races, or believing that a particular race is superior to another.

    Trump does that across multiple races. So how is he not a racist?
     
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    Okay- can you think of anyone who is provably racist by your definition?
     
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  14. fchowd0311

    fchowd0311 Contributing Member

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    You do know @dachuda86 is debating in bad faith?
     
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    I asked him a question without vitriol, he answered without vitriol, we'll see where it goes.
     
  16. fchowd0311

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    It's not about debating without insulting. It's about arguing in bad faith where you don't genuinely believe in the stuff you type and just want to "trigger" people. If you have the time, go through the entire thread and you'll understand exactly what I mean.
     
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    No, Donald Trump Isn’t a Racist
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    06/11/2016 03:27 PM ET
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    Contrary to popular belief, Donald Trump is not a racist. According to Google, the definition of racist is “a person who believes that a particular race is superior to another.”

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    Trump’s charge that Judge Curiel cannot fairly adjudicate the Trump University lawsuit is based on his belief that Curiel’s Mexican heritage creates a natural bias against a presidential candidate that wants to build a wall between the judge’s born nation and nation of his family ancestry. While the merits of this charge are certainly debatable (they seem to have earned precious little merit in the court of public opinion), there has been no statement from Trump that indicates that he actually feels superior to Judge Curiel based on the judge’s Hispanic descent. Rather, its just another example of Trump demonstrating that he is an unapologetic nationalist.

    In fact, counter to the racism charge, Trump is actually telegraphing to the nation, through psychological projection, that he would most likely behave the same way as the judge given the same situation. This is not racism. This is Trump reminding us that his entire life has been defined by winning, at any cost.

    But, you may be asking, isn’t it racist when he talks about banning Muslims from entering the U.S. and saying that illegal Mexican immigrants are rapists and criminals? Nope. Why? Because:


    • Muslims aren’t a race
    • Mexico isn’t a race
    Yes, many of Trumps’s statements seem racist, but it’s just a plain fact that they’re not.

    Why does linguistic accuracy matter? Because there’s an actual danger for those who inaccurately impugn someone’s character: it can backfire and damage the accuser’s credibility. Also, it misdiagnoses the problem many have with Donald Trump as a political candidate. If we misdiagnose our candidates, then we’ll be voting for or against them for the wrong reasons.

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    Imagine if — after all of the damage he has done to his candidacy by saying what he said about Judge Curiel, Mexican immigrants, and foreign Muslims — Trump parsed this out himself and turned it all around on his accusers? He would be able to use the rhetorical overreach of racism to re-enforce the point that the political class and the media elite simply can’t be trusted, because they just can’t help themselves from exaggerating to make a point, and ultimately get the analysis wrong as a result.

    That would be a spectacular irony.

    Oh and then there’s the unapologetic nationalist link which pretty much sums up Trump, The End.
     
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    Muslim isn't a race yet I , an atheist, still have random people make assumptions that I am and Sikh temples have been shot up multiple times for being confused as Mosques.

    Mexican isn't a race yet people shoot up Walmarts with a bunch of brown looking people in them.

    Your pedantic concern is not genuine. It's a stupid argument. If we called Trump bigoted, which we do, you would still b**** about it.
     
  20. FranchiseBlade

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    So, since the thread starter won't answer questions regarding his replies in the thread, he started maybe you will.

    While his statement that he wanted to ban Muslims from entering the United States isn't racist, are you okay with that kind of bigotry?
     

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