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[Official] Texans @ Jaguars

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by Castor27, Oct 16, 2018.

  1. Nimo

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    With Fulton out now Miller will lose a yard (instead of no gain) when they run him up the middle on first down.
     
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    We have an Oline full of guards. BOB just decides to play them at OT instead.
     
  3. TexasRedd

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    No way the Texans win this with that shitty o line they have

    Jax 27
    Hou 9
     
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    It seems as if the O line is getting the majority of the blame for Watson's poor performances, I was wondering how that would play out. The O line isn't forcing him to make bad decisions, it's not causing him to miss wide open receivers, it's not causing him to misread defenses, it's not causing him to throw inaccurate passes that would otherwise be easy TD's.

    There's no question that the O line isn't great, but Watson is still playing poorly and BOB is still garbage when it comes to calling plays.
     
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  5. Nimo

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    You mean centers who also have also played guard.
     
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    Actually having one of the worst o lines in the NFL does cause all 3 of those things, albeit indirectly. QB isn't played in a vacuum.
     
  7. Nimo

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    That's just making excuses....and i get why you specifically would be making excuses for this specific QB, but for those of us that are better than that, we can see Watson simply making mistakes. There were something like 4 TD's he should have thrown last week alone that had nothing at all to do with the O line, just him screwing up.

    Now you can say that he's a rookie and that he's hurt, I'm completely on board with that because those things are true, but there's no reason to throw the O line under the buss for things that Watson is doing himself. They don't tell him to hold on to the ball too long, they don't tell him to misread defenses, they don't tell him to miss throws, they don't tell him to run himself into sacks and hard hits.

    Personally I expect Watson to improve, but there's no reason to ignore his flaws right now....or blame them on others. The O line has plenty of flak coming their way due to their own screw ups, they don't need to be Watson's scapegoat too.
     
  9. TheRealist137

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    Lol please. When you have an o-line that can't block adequately (run or pass) it clearly impacts the QB in terms of throwing accurately and overall indecisiveness. Tell me all these QBs that have succeeded while having one of the worst o lines in the NFL. There aren't many. Only top 3 or top 5 QBs can make it work. Even then put anyone not named Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, or Brees and I don't know if they would play markedly better than how Watson has played. You can nitpick any QBs games and find a lot of the same mistakes, overthrows, etc. It's not just Watson doing it. Patrick Mahomes, who everyone is hyping up right now, does all of the same things. He just is in a way better position to succeed.

    Fact of the matter is Watson is hampered by a line that can't pass block, no running game, and poor offensive playcalling. You clearly must think all players are robots where the last play has no bearing on the next play. It does.
     
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    This game is completely going to be determined on field position and which offense can prevent stupid turnovers from heavy defense line pressure and/or is better at field goals.

    Having said that Jags Defensive line has not been very consistent the last few games, especially up the middle. Not sure how much of that is poor D-Line play, facing good offensive lines (KC and Dallas), and/or facing mobile QB's. Most of the rushing yards allowed have actually been QB scrambles/runs.

    Jag's offense if going to be total mystery. They give up on the run too early and then ask Bortles to throw on 5 and 7 step drops. But WR are not consistent in routes, and no one can block. They have gotten most of their passing yards on crossing routes, screens, and dump offs.

    Jags are down to their 4th TE, who was signed off the street in the past 4 weeks and 3rd LT who is really a guard. Basically they designed an offense to highlight TE, but now don't have TE's to play the position. On top of that, they really don't have blocking WR's use them to help with setting the edge for a running game.

    Jags do play better at home, but I really think Texans have 3 players who could win this game on their own and the Jaguars really don't have any unless Calais returns to his level of play last year or Yannick finally turns more of his pressures into sacks.
     
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    Great. Bobby has officially latched onto the anti-Deshaun narrative. We will now have to win the Super Bowl to change his mind ;)

    But yeah Bobby the O-line really can (and IMO) does cause all these problems. Offense is all about rhythm and with no O-line, no rythym. Rythym = confidence. Without it everything becomes extremely difficult. Deshaun feels (rightly) that he has to overcompensate in order to get wins, and it is working.

    It may be ugly, and it can certainly look like Deshaun is making bad decisions, and in some cases he is, but he is simply making the best of a super sh*tty situation.

    Remember Carr with no O-line? Dude was bad but they made him look like a straight up little leaguer. I guarantee Watson would be playing like a champ and making amazing decisions if he had an above average O-line.
     
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    Jaguars just traded for Carlos Hyde. Not sure how available he will be for Sunday.
     
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    We know they're trying. Trying to win. Trying to get better. Except at the QB position. Good thing they didn't trade for Bridgewater.
     
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    Just texted my friend this exact thing. LOL
     
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  15. Nimo

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    Yet the Texans can't get a CB





     
  16. Nimo

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    Yikes! Ryan Griffin is out too

     
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    Bridgewater would not help Jaguars. His ceiling would be A. Smith when he was with the Chiefs. He has to see the open guy to make to throw. Yes he does go throw progressions, but he does not throw receivers open.

    Jaguars right now don't have receivers that can consistently beat their coverage to get open and don't run route concepts that put your WR in good situations or match ups.
     
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    Jags this season....

    When they score first, they've never relinquished the lead.

    Whey they do not score first, they've never gotten the lead.
     
  19. rpr52121

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    Yup, that is basically their MO since Marrone took over. They cannot make any adjustments.
     
  20. Nimo

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    Somewhere on Kirby they are saying the same thing about cornerbacks, running backs, and offensive linemen.

    If Bridgewater's ceiling is Alex Smith then what is Bortle's ceiling? Brock Osweiller?
     

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