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[Official] Pete Buttigieg running for President

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jan 31, 2019.

  1. Rocket River

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    I dunno much about this guy
    The whole police chief thing in his town is bothersome

    In order for anything to be done or passed
    It has to have some loopholes and build in graft
    so the corrupt can get their beak wet somehow
    Otherwise they won't allow it

    Rocket River
     
  2. jiggyfly

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    There are all ready government regulations.

    What other regulations do you think will stop this?

    Don't know what high approval ratings has to do with fraud but yeah I concede the point.
     
  3. jiggyfly

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    Thank you for explaining in a way that I could not, those 3 things are the very reason things will not be smooth sailing in a swap to M4A.

    Nurse shortage would be a huge deal since they would leave in droves when their pay is cut.

    Nobody is talking about how wages would be affected and what that does to the labour pool.
     
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    Well, with a new system the regulations and how they observed and enforced will have to be adapted. But rather than looking into scores of different states and insurance companies, it would be centralized with basically one set of regulations.
     
  5. jiggyfly

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    Is increasing volume actually a good thing?

    How does that relate to quality of care?

    This is a great convo but you seem to be looking at most things with a very opto view.
     
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  7. Nook

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    An increase in volume will certainly decrease costs per patient. However I agree with you on the concern about quality of care. I do not doubt the OVERALL cost of healthcare at the macro level will go down (when considering all hidden costs) but the quality I fear will suffer greatly. Also will that be the end of medical malpractice suits? Will there be a level of governmental/healthcare immunity? That would greatly decrease costs as malpractice insurance is insane. However will that cause doctors to screw up more or less?
     
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    Yes, my view is largely optimistic but not totally. I'm mentioning these things because I was pointing out that with some of the justified concerns about M4A there are also many positives. Folks have different ways of implementing it, so who knows?

    I think over-saturation would lessen quality. However, there are many doctors that have weekly and daily schedules that would still allow for more office time and patient care. Right now, they don't need to.
     
  9. jiggyfly

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    What?

    How will they not be looking into different states?

    And medicare fraud has nothing to do with insurance companies.
     
  10. jiggyfly

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    Right all great questions.

    That's . the thing that M4A people never talk about a lot of folks have good or great insurance and M4A will definitley be a step down.

    There are plenty of complaints about socialized medicine in other countries.

    I am actually neutral on M4A but some hard truths need to be discussed as well.
     
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    What insurance is better than allowing people to choose their doctors and specialists without referrals and all will be covered while also having to pay less for co-pays, drugs, etc?
     
  12. jiggyfly

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    You keep claiming this but I don't see how that will happen.

    If Doctors are more busy and have more patients do you not see how that would not be better?

    Do you think specialist are just waiting around for more walk ins?

    Some insurance actually allows people to choose their own doctors and specialist, I guess you think all insurance is terrible.
     
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    The DNC is “the establishment “ of the Democratic Party and they have rules for nominating that is based off delegates... not “voters”.
     
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    If I have to wait 30 minutes instead of 15 to see a doctor that I actually like instead of the one my insurance will cover, that is better. If I can go to the specialist that I would like because I know good things about their work and thoroughness instead of the specialist my insurance says I have to go to, that's a good thing.

    With M4A, I can do that.
     
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    Imagine if the mayor of Lubbock ran for president and was leading in important early polls -- it's crazy that people are giving a small town mayor so much support.
     
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    He's very practical compared to the front runners. He doesn't have Biden type baggage

    That being said, wby Harris, Klobuchar, or Booker aren't doing better falls on them
     
  17. jiggyfly

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    How about weeks instead of minutes?

    The fact that you think the change will only be minutes instead of days tell me we are looking at things completely different.

    There is no guarantee that you will be able to go the specialist of your choice thats best case scenario.

    And if you don't get the doctor of choice or go to your choice of specialist?

    Who is guaranteeing this?
     
  18. jiggyfly

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    Everything has changed since Trump.

    Sherrod Brown should be in this race.
     
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  19. FranchiseBlade

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    The fact that the only doctors not covered by M4A would be those that only take cash which would be an incredibly small number. The 'network' of doctors would be huge.

    The whole point is that people could keep their doctors or choose from any of the other doctors. It is no longer insurance companies restricting that.

    The change required to have that kind of system would be huge. There would be bumps, errors, mistakes, inefficiency, and learning curve. It would change the way whole industries are run. I'm not denying any of that. But there is also plenty of good that will come for it especially as it starts getting refined. I'm pointing out the good things. I acknowledge the difficulties as well.

    Similar systems like that work in other nations better than our system works in this nation. I want to strive to improve, save money, and have improved healthcare for our nation.
     
  20. jiggyfly

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    You keep talking like any of that is etched in stone with M4A.

    Those things are what Bernie would like M4A to be, it's a hope that those things will happen.

    If you can't even realize that we are talking past each other.

    Let's just agree to disagree, I don't think any of those things will happen in the near future.
     

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