Why is that worse than saying “everyone should sit this out?” Does it disadvantage non-white people in some way to say one and not the other? Safety could be more of a concern for a group that is believed to be statistically more likely to get arrested and shot during altercations with law enforcement.
we agree that there is no justifiable reason for anyone to be racist toward anyone else in this country. This also includes being racist toward white people. Yes, we agree that a person of color can also be racist in this country. We agree that concern for people’s safety should not be limited to the people of a certain skin color, and that we should have equal concern for every American’s safety regardless of individual skin color. Looks like we also agree that to be racist toward another American citizen is anti-American. If our strength is the melting pot, then we love all our countrymen equally, regardless of race. We definitely agree on this. We agree that these things are important in a true high trust society. So I really don’t know what’s left to discuss on the matter. We agree on these basic points. If you want to get hung up on the double standard I laid down, let me explain. If it’s ok for a black person to say “black people should stop going to these dangerous protests, it’s not safe for them” then it should be ok for a white person to say “white people should stop going to these dangerous protests, it’s not safe for them” obviously if someone came on here and said the latter, they would be called a racist (and worse) by a ton of posters and really fast (and rightfully so). That’s all I meant. Kinda like when you hear Ryan Clark on espn say that the country needs less “whiteness” and keeps his job. It’s not like Van Pelt can get on there and say the country needs less “blackness”. Both are equally racist. I know we agree on this too. like I said, seems like we are on the same page on all of this basic stuff.
Yes. So I do agree that a white person is more likely to be called racist by Left leaning posters in that situation, even if it was fairly clear that they would be at higher risk in doing so. And, in general, people on the Left are very often more likely to call a white person racist in situations where all the other relevant factors are more or less equal. And that would of course be a double standard. But my view (and I probably depart from many on the Left here) is that if there was sufficient reason to think white people would be at higher risk, it shouldn’t be considered racist. It looks like you also might disagree with that, not sure. Yes, though I’d add a nuance here. I totally agree that there would be demands for an immediate firing if someone said we need less “blackness” in reference to all the negative stereotypes associated with black people and culture. To even define “blackness” as a negative in that way would be considered highly racist. That to me is the double standard — that so many people think it’s ok to use a term like “whiteness” to refer to something negative in society when they wouldn’t dare do the same with “blackness”. I also think we (usually the Left) tend to overly focus on word choice rather than intent. I don’t think evoking “whiteness” as a negative necessarily means “white people” or is intended to mean “white people are inherently bad.” But it’s still a terrible word to use, because it’s natural to hear it in that way and it needlessly inflames racial tensions, and it’s absolutely fair to point out this is how “blackness” would be received. Looks like it. Where the real disagreement begins is I think you believe discrimination against black people, particularly in contexts involving law enforcement, is entirely a constructed victimization narrative. I think reality is somewhat messier than that — discrimination does often occur, sometimes unconsciously or at a systemic rather than individual level, but because it exists in so many places there can also be a tendency to see it in particular circumstances with individuals where it does not exist. There is often an unfortunate tendency on the Left to call people “racist” not for any racial bias they feel or act out individually, but because they are acting within a system that they believe (with good reason) to be disproportionately punitive against black people.
Didn’t we just have a China virus not too long ago and you fucckers locked everyone down, forced people to wear diapers on their faces, forced people to take a jab of poison into their bodies, destroyed so many lives and businesses and turned our children into rettards? It seemed like we did have a king beforehand, except the doofus was a certified vegetable, installed by you scroundel demonic Dems to rule over us. Now we have a genuine king and he is the GOAT. Long live king Trump Shut the hell up judo, go play in traffic and take your woke buddies with you loser. We will never forget what you communists did to us and the next time that you try, we will have a real no Kings protest.
Let me put it like this.. If Tim Walz had come out after Good and Pretti were shot and said “ok that’s 2 white people shot and killed by ICE. This is too dangerous for white people. These protests are getting white people killed in the street. It’s not safe for them” There would be a huge outcry of racism against Walz that he could never live down. Unlike his massive fraud issues, this would take him down forever and rightfully so. However, it would be a different story had 2 black protesters died. Black politicians and race baiters could scream those same words (about getting black people off the streets) with no repercussions. I don’t believe that black protesters are in danger anymore than white protesters. I don’t believe the narrative that today’s cops are out to shoot innocent black people. I don’t believe any victimhood mentality in 2026 when it comes to skin color of American citizens. You like to leave that tired victim excuse door cracked, to excuse bad behavior. Open racism is bad behavior right? You need to shut that door, and learn to have a debate without that fantasy crutch of oppression that simply doesn’t exist and hasn’t existed in many many years in this country. Start with a clean slate. Everyone is equal. Think about equal opportunity for all. That’s where we are now. Some confuse equal outcomes with equal opportunity but I know you probably understand the difference and what we should strive for. There should be no ***** given for my skin color or yours. No preferential treatment of one racist over another, all racism is equally bad. Isn’t equality what we are striving for? No excuses, no preferential treatment. No victimhood mentality. Love someone for being an American before you love them for their skin color. United we stand, divided we fall has become so cliché but it’s so undeniably true if you live in America today. We are witnessing that prophecy in real (surreal) time.
You’re one lying racist sack of shiit little biitch. Those so called teenagers ain’t nothing but a mob. They blocked traffic and vandalized the man’s truck when they saw his MAGA hat. They jumped him when he left his vehicle to confront them, there were boys too in that pack of hyenas. If it was you little biitch, your ass will be knocked out cold, ever heard of a thing that’s called “outnumbered”?.
I agree with your first sentence. The second sentence depends on who you call "we" in this country. In a perfect world that would be ideal. It's not reality though, and many in power want to keep it that way. Pete Hegseth's stance when it comes to hirings, firings, and promotions in the armed forces is the perfect example of one of those racist and bigoted bad eggs with power.
“We” is every American citizen. I’m sorry about your white guilt. You can only criticize white people and western culture. You refuse to call out any other race for anything. This is typical of people on the left. Terrified of being called a racist and therefore over eager to call out their own race, especially when POC can witness it. It’s pandering and performative and it’s behavior that holds the country back. Just like all your hateful posts. You seem nice sometimes, I wish we saw more of care free sports Deb and less jaded self loathing political Deb.
You are so wrong about me. I don't believe in promoting or firing people based on their skin color. As a prior air traffic controller that would have been a stupid and dangerous way to ensure you had the most qualified people working each position. I didn't give a damn what race anyone was. Doing something like that is a good way to see people get killed. You want the best, to safely accomplish the mission. It's weird how you interpret things. I'm not sure what triggered you about me mentioning Hegseth, but it's true about him. I called him out because I feel like our military leadership took a huge downside this past year, and I hate seeing that happen. Yes, I despise liars. Trust, and integrity are important to me. I have no respect for liars and butt kissing suck ups. It's why I always bring up our Commander in Chief and our Secretary of Defense. You can call that hate, but I saw enough of those types lead others, and it never resulted in great teamwork and morale. It also put a big barrier people had to climb over in accomplishing our mission safely. Luckily, leaders come and go in the military, and I when I had great leaders it made a world of difference.
“All racism is equally bad”. “Racism” that leads one to commit violence against someone else because of their race is, to my way of thinking, far worse than “racism” that leads one to donate to a charity to support black-owned businesses. I assume you’d consider both to be racist. In what sense is the racism behind each action equally bad?
This question is not very well thought out. You’re asking me if violence is worse than giving to charity. But yes, all racism is equally bad. I did not say all acts of racism are equally bad . And yes, exclusivity and showing preference for a certain race being safe, vs other races, is still racist. What are you failing to understand? White people aren’t going around using violence against black people because they are black. So I’m not sure where you get the comparison. racism, toward anyone, is bad. It’s not less bad simply because it’s directed at white people, and not at black or brown people. We already agreed on this.
OK, so you’re making a distinction between “acts of racism” and “racism”. Is it not possible that some forms of racism are more likely to lead to worse “acts of racism” than others? For instance, John may think that race A is inherently superior to race B and society must be organized such that people of race A have power over people of race B. Meanwhile, Michael might think society is organized in such a way that people of race A have power over people of race B, and therefore to offset that dynamic he wants to give extra support to people of race B. I take it you consider both cases to be racism, on equal moral footing. But John’s racism stems from a belief that one race should have more power than another, while Michael’s stems from (let’s say) a mistaken belief that society is already unequal and must be rebalanced. Those are very different stances, and I think conflating the two is a mistake. John’s stance rejects racial equality on principle. Michael’s stance accepts it, even if we consider his understanding of the state of things in the real world to be mistaken. I’d argue that a bunch of people who think like John would be more likely to result in worse acts of racism than a bunch of people who think like Michael. But even putting consequences aside, I don’t consider their stances to be equally bad. Michael’s moral intuitions I agree with, even if he is mistaken in how he applies it. John’s I would just outright reject.
Bro, it’s not ok to be racist toward any race. I don’t know why you are trying so hard to disprove that. No person with half a brain in 2026 or the last 50 years at least, thinks they should have more power over someone simply because of race. I’m white and I have devoted 0% of my time to that way of thinking. Normal people in functioning society do not think like that. If you’re anti-white, you’re a racist. Just as racist as someone who is anti-black. Every single bit as racist as someone who is anti-Asian. Ask no quarter, give no quarter. If you don’t believe that, I can’t take you seriously. I thought we had agreed on all of this.
