NFL will fine players and personnel who don't stand for national anthem

Racial injustice is a thing.

 

On some small level it's still a thing, but it's insulting to the past to compare what happens today....which usually ends up being criminals getting what they deserve (though not always), to times when there was real injustice like with Rosa Parks or Gandhi.

Today the bulk of the whining is about the lack of equality of outcome rather than a true injustice which is inequality of opportunity or actual barriers to success. It's disrespectful to those who legitimately had something to protest to compare the whiny b****es of today to civil rights heroes of the past.

 

Its noble if the players and teams want to commit their resources to help out a cause. Good for them. I hope there is great benefit to these causes.

It still stands the demonstrations during the national anthem has not helped with anything. People are not outraged over the players protesting inequality. They are not happy with the way they are going about doing it. Personally I dont care what they do during the anthem. What I find annoying is the political motivation with the NFL and Trump butting heads. Keep politics out of sports.

If Fertitta wants to give free tickets to the senior class of Santa Fe and hand out remembrance ribbons of Santa Fe, great. Whatever, its his team. However the moment he starts injecting his opinion, regardless of belief, and using this charitable moment to promote a belief, I would find it distasteful.

 

Yes, people, especially athletes and team owners shouldn't express their opinions. What do they think they have... Some sort of freedom of speech?

 

Maybe if you studied history a little bit, you would understand that people said the same thing to Gandhi, and he gave them the finger.

If you always compare the present to the past, you will at most always stay roughly the same while others try new things. That's how this America was born too.

 

They should “act” their role, not be disruptive and not be divisive.

We heard this before.

I would only agree to the divisive part since it would be counter productive.

An important point is the protest of not standing during the flag song isn’t meant to be divisive. The divisiveness is from extreme negative reactions to the protest and more so than anything, from Trump inserting his personal politic into that pushing those reaction into over drive.

 

I’m still trying to understand how kneeling during the anthem is personally disruptive to anyone. Doesn’t affect anyone’s life one bit, unlike a protest where traffic is impacted, or physical altercations occur, or destructive behavior happens.

People have to choose to have their lives disrupted when some player kneels down for a minute or so during an event that the vast majority of complainers aren’t even present to witness.

And, I’ve continued to wonder that if protesting during the anthem is frowned upon, why was it OK for players like JJ Watt to lead the Houston Texan players in linking arms during the anthem to protest the President’s comments. Same scenario. Different method. Different target. But, still a protest.

 

I say we have a ceremony before the anthem to get all the protesting over with so not to disrespect the flag and our country. What you do is seperate the BLM, Anti NRA, Pro NRA, Anti abortion, Pro abortion, Womens rights etc. and give them each television recognition so not to discriminate. Wouldn’t that be nice?

 

NFL players are free to help causes on their own time.

Game time is work. The owners didn't kill anyone.

 

That's a good bar to set. As long as nobody kills anyone then everything is A-OK.

 

So by your "logic", any whiny BS that is complained about now or will be complained about in the future is equivalent to actual injustices faced in the past? Well, that's one theory.

When you study history, you are able to recognize the difference between actual injustice and what is whined about today. Today we have this kneeling BS over a black criminal armed with a stolen gun being shot by a black cop....in your mind that is an equivalent "injustice" to Jim Crow Laws. We have people violently protesting and rioting in the streets over a criminal being shot while attacking a police officer because the criminal happened to be black, in your mind that's equivalent to Gandhi's nonviolent protests in search of Indian independence.

I mean, you can think that all you want, but it's just not objectively true. I would suggest you study history a bit more in order to try and understand the difference between legitimate injustice and oppression and what is protested today. Just waiving your hand and declaring it the same as historical protests is incredibly disrespectful to those who had legitimate causes in the past. I think if you study a bit more you'll realize that.

 

It's just neither the time nor place. The NFL is part show business.

People come to relax. Sporting events are part celebration of the place it's happening including city, state, country

 

Like you said, different target. The stated intention of the kneeling protest, at least before they realized they needed to re-brand their protest and spin it otherwise, was to show disrespect to the flag and the country it represents. A display of unity between the players in opposition to things the president said, while respecting the flag and the country it represents doesn't get the same backlash for what should be obvious reasons. It's all still a bit annoying to inject politics into football, but it was seen as a more acceptable way of doing so because the target was different.

 

That's exactly it. I don't think many would have anything to say about it if the players decided to protest in their free time or during the off-season. They object to them doing so at that time and place. If an agent tries to sell you life insurance at your father's funeral, you'll probably be pissed off at them for it, if he did so at a more appropriate time you would react completely differently. You still might not buy what they are selling, but it will have been done properly.

 

They are not the cops.

They are the bosses

 

But that's the disconnect. People complain because protesting disrespects flag, anthem, etc. If that's the case then they are hypocritical when players protest by linking arms. They are still actually protesting and they should protest the president's comments 'on their own time' as folks like to say.

 

The stated intent of the kneeling, before they went back and tried to erase what they had previously said for PR purposes, was to show disrespect for the flag and the country it represents. The linking arms, while standing, was a sign of unity between players aimed at the president who shot his mouth off. While it's still injecting politics at an inappropriate time, that incident was more of a response directly to a person who attacked them thus it got a pass largely...but it still hurt ratings because it wasn't done "on their own time". That's why the league needed to put an end to all of the nonsense. Either way though, you'll have to understand that there's a difference between people flipping the bird to the country and people flipping the bird to a president that effectively flipped them the bird.

 

Pretty sure the civil rights heroes of the past were seen as the “winy b****es” of that day.

 

Does someone kneeling for the anthem actually affect your (pgabriel's) ability to relax, celebrate and enjoy a sporting event?

 

Again, how is that relevant? Objectively speaking they had a legitimate cause that is lacking from those who protest or riot today. By comparing those with an objectively legitimate cause to those without a legitimate cause, all you are doing is taking away from those in the past and tearing them down in an effort to lend some credibility to those without any. It's disrespectful and it's wrong. You aren't a DNC propaganda bot like NewRoxFan, so you really should be ashamed of yourself if that's what you plan on doing.


An inaccurate statement in the past doesn't disprove an accurate statement now.