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[netflix]Altered Carbon

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  1. KingCheetah

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    I could just never get into this show tried a few times.
     
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  2. Beezy

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    Netflix's recap for season 1.
     
  3. Beezy

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    This is a really late response but sometimes I'm wondering if people are actually watching what they complain about. Tak was recruited into CTAC as a child, and agreed to it because they said they'd take care of his sister. Tak and his sister joined the Envoys to hide out from CTAC and the yakuza after they were reunited and turned against their respective groups. The Envoys weren't a 'murdering brute squad', they were rebels that wanted to end the immortality of the Meths (this is different from the books). Tak learns he was lied to and his sister was handed over to the yakuza, which is part of the reason he buys into the Envoy idealogy.

    After being reunited with his sister, he finds out she
    1) runs torture clinics for information extraction
    2) recodes the stacks of hookers so that they can be killed at her Westworld club without them realizing it would be real death
    3) betrayed the Envoys and killed Quell
    on top of other things, like having the detective's family and partner killed.

    She had become what the Envoys were fighting against. He was still trying to redeem her and bring back the sister he remembered until the end.

    I'm not saying the show pulled it all off perfectly, but it's not hard to see why he didn't just peace out with his sister.
     
  4. Bandwagoner

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    "Envoys were trained and conditioned to transfer from planet to planet and into new bodies without the disorienting effects of needlecasting, meaning they could be combat-ready within moments. This allowed the U.N. Protectorate, the government in the “Altered Carbon” universe, to quickly field armies on any planet to put down rebellions."

    "In order to deal with the challenges of interspace warfare, the U.N. created the Envoys. They are an elite military group with extensive training in re-sleeving and psychological modification, as well as combat. Envoys are so successful and dangerous that they are generally prohibited from holding elected office on any world."


    I don't remember, but I think the show did an awful job of selling that ending. Could be wrong about the terminology. I did watch it pretty carefully. I liked the show and the universe, but was expecting the guy who was not exactly a hero to at least give his sis more of a shot.
     
  5. Beezy

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    That's the Envoys from the book. Changing what the Envoys are and making his sister the main antagonist are two of the biggest differences from the book and justifiably the top complaints about the show.

    I'm looking forward to season 2, although Anthony Mackie comes off as a boring actor to me.
     
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    Feel the same way. Think I finished it but honestly not sure. Remember enjoying it for the most part but drifted at the end.
     
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    Can I watch S2 without watching S1?
     
  8. Bandwagoner

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    the world building is some of the best parts of the show.
     
  9. LosPollosHermanos

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    This show is so good
     
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    Yeah I should be all over this but for some reason I could never get into it, nothing compelling about the characters or plot.

    Did you like The Expanse.

    Love that show but the last season left me wanting a bit.
     
  12. Invisible Fan

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    It's too bad. I like trashy scifi and it was self aware enough to know it was trashy.

    Hopefully they dump that budget into more series with eye candy.

    The lack of a main actor probably killed it. On the abstract, a digital soul might be interesting and doable in a written format, visually it's confusing af for people who don't like the genre.
     
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    ****ing lame news.
     
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    I liked it, but I can see those that didn't. I loved the books. I think some of the new shows on Netflix are definitely crap.
     
  16. mfastx

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    Season 2 was pretty poor compared to Season 1, this doesn't surprise me.
     
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    I think they'll eventually end up with mostly rubbish shows. At the end of the day it's about numbers. You only have to look at what's the most popular in movies, tv, and music in the last few decades.
     

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