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Mueller's report looks bad for Obama

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by MojoMan, Apr 19, 2019.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    Just say you didn’t read the report because the Report lays out how Trump and his campaign interacted with Russians....
     
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    @cml750 is either willingly ignoring or is just merely ignorant of how common law works and how "beyond a reasonable doubt works".
     
  3. fchowd0311

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    I suggest you watch this video:


    He explains quite well the bar for criminal indictment and how "plenty of evidence" still isn't enough to reach a criminal indictment.
     
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  4. adoo

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    the political hack Jennings, thru sleight of hands, is covering up for turtle-faced McConnell, in a manner like
    Barr has been covering up for Trump

    turtle face's home state newspaper has offered this op/ed, https://www.kentucky.com/opinion/editorials/article120718538.html


    Americans deserve to hear why McConnell did not trust them with the evidence that he and 11 other congressional leaders received in a confidential briefing in September 2016, during which

    McConnell “made clear to the administration that he would consider any effort by the
    Obama White House to challenge the Russians publicly an act of partisan politics.”
    McConnell also questioned the veracity of the intelligence, according to the Washington Post, based on information from unidentified officials present at the September briefing.


    On Monday, McConnell said he had the “highest confidence” in U.S. intelligence agencies.

    But McConnell would not answer reporters’ questions about the Post’s account. He passed up the opportunity to deny that he torpedoed the administration’s request for a bipartisan pre-election statement calling out the Russians.

    Now McConnell and other Republicans are saying the integrity of our elections is too important for partisanship. But before the election McConnell appears to have put partisan concerns first.




     
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    Republicans are good and inventing things to deflect blame
     
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    If that helps you sleep at night instead of facing that facts about how bad the dems campagined.... go on.
     
  7. dachuda86

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    Fixed it for you champ.
     
  8. biff17

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    Why do the 2 have to be mutually exclusive, I can acknowledge Hillary ran a bad campaign and also acknowledge Russians interference.

    Can you?
     
  9. MojoMan

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    The Russians have been interfering in our society and in our elections going back to the early days of the cold war, and even before. Everyone who pays attention to this stuff very much at all knows this. In fact, you know this. So acknowledging Russian interference is pretty close to a no-brainer.

    No election in this country has had the ultimate outcome altered by foreign interference. There are of course other countries than just Russia that are actively interfering in our society in ways that are designed to affect our politics and therefore our elections.

    In fact, the only case that I am aware of that could honestly be made to support the argument that the Russians have intervened in our society in ways that have substantially influenced the way that people have voted would relate to their promotion of communism and socialism at universities across our nation, which has been going on for at least 50 years now. And the people on your side are the ones who have swallowed this propaganda, hook, line and sinker, rod, reel and tackle box.

    The promotion of these themes is going to be arguably the central component of the Democrat's primary contest for the presidential nomination this year and next. So, physician, heal thyself.
     
  10. larsv8

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    Of course it has. It has created an army of lemmings that think Trump is working for them. Do you know hard it is to convince idiots they have been duped? Unless you put it in cartoon form, they just don't get it, and continued to repeat propaganda talking points fed to them.
     
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  11. JuanValdez

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    You're telling me that the reason we see ideas of socialism being explored and sometimes embraced at universities is that there have been Russian operatives working, since back in the 1960s, on a broad influence campaign to "brainwash" (for lack of a better term) our students and professors? You think they could have been literally planting people on campuses to convince people of socialism?
     
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    Love the excusing of russian attempts to interfere in our election in 2016 {it happens all the time"). Especially since trump initially denied it happened (quoting a conversation he had with putin) and then echoing your deflection that "other countries" were the ones interfering. And the partisan effort to blame Democrats for (1) being upset it happened and (2) apparently blaming Democrats for it continuing to happen in 2020.
     
  13. MojoMan

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    Yes, certainly. Which is orders of magnitude more plausible than the baseless lie that Donald Trump - or any Republican - conspired with the Russians to steal the 2016 presidential election from Hillary Clinton. The latter of which you apparently have no problem accepting, regardless of how utterly preposterous this partisan, politically motivated effort to oust a duly elected president of the United States has obviously been since right from the start.
     
  14. JuanValdez

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    It's generally understood that university campuses are pretty uniformly liberal, with a few notable exceptions. That's a couple thousand campuses, hundreds of thousands of professors, and millions of students, and over many decades. That sounds like a huge endeavor to indoctrinate so many people over so long a time, and to do so undetected. It boggles the mind to think that even the KGB could run such an ambitious psy-ops campaign. But, you're telling me that suborning one guy, a particular guy who seems to have no moral compass anyway, is somehow too preposterous to contemplate?
     
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    The central component of the Democratic primary is not Russian interference.

    Why do you keep arguing something that is not true.

    So yes physician please heal yourself.
     
  16. MojoMan

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    It was not undetected. Not by any means. The Chinese are actively promoting these sorts of programs as well. It is not just the Russians by any means. That is part of the cost of having an open society like ours. As a default, people can come here and say virtually anything they want to.
     
  17. dmoneybangbang

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    Right right right but address this:

    “But, you're telling me that suborning oneguy, a particular guy who seems to have no moral compass anyway, is somehow too preposterous to contemplate?”
     
  18. MojoMan

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    Socialism, including certain central themes of Marxist Socialism, such as "Political correctness" and "Identity politics," and also heavy doses of centralized state government control of industrial and social policy will be at the center of the Democrats presidential primary debate. Despite your obtuse response, this is what I was referring to.
     
  19. mdrowe00

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    ...again:

    ...there are people on this planet...

    ...in this nation...

    ...in the year 2019...

    ...who have sworn oaths on the lives of their unborn children...

    ...with endless streams of digital data and iPhones at their disposal...

    ...who believe that the planet they walk around on is flat.

    What people are willing to believe is always much more fascinating (and revelatory), to me, than to discover what people actually know...
     
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  20. justtxyank

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    More silly:

    Many of these same people believe that Obama, FROM BIRTH, was groomed to be an infiltrator and that members of the evil Democratic cabal were doctoring records his entire life in coordination with the Muslim Brotherhood to help destroy America from the inside when he became president.

    But the idea that a man with business dealings with the Russians might be corrupted by them is laughable.
     
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