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[Middle East] US embassy in Israel to be moved from Tel-Aviv to Jerusalem

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Cohete Rojo, Dec 5, 2017.

  1. pirc1

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    What benefits for the US? The relationship between US and Israel is pretty much a one way street, much to gain for Israel and hardly anything positive for the US.
     
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    So one of the benefits is to help trump keep a campaign promise. I can see how it benefits trump, but the benefit to the United States isn't clear.

    The United States shows all sorts of respect to Israel, not the least includes financial and military support. its not clear why the moving of the embassy was needed, especially when considering the negatives which I believe you are understating.
     
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    So it's an arbitrary promise then.

    Please tell me about these benefits.
     
  4. Cohete Rojo

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    No it is not arbitrary. It was discussed in his campaign, and the decision is inline with a 1995 congressional law. So, again - not arbitrary.

    The biggest benefit is the respect shown to Israel. It will payoff.
     
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    Once again, how does that benefit USA, how will it payoff in the future?
     
  6. Cohete Rojo

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    We have better relations with Israel.
     
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    Setting the table for realistic negotiations (Jerusalem was never going to really be on the table) is a benefit of this. Sure you'll see a bit of temper tantrums from Palestinians who had unrealistic expectations and had their dreams shattered by this, but it's best they take that dose of reality now and get it out of the way so that they can negotiate over things actually on the table.
     
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    Duh, it's a one way street, we help Israel, at the same time causing the US diplomatic issues in many parts of the world. You have not answered how helping Israel is of any benefits to the USA. I can tell you that if there is no Israel, US would not have nearly as much problem with Muslim countries, but Israel does exist in the Mideast, so it is water under the bridge. However, don't tell me good relationship with Israel by itself is worth that much.
     
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    Even if there was no Israel, the world would still have exactly the same problems with Muslim countries attacking their neighbors, it's just what they do. Blaming Israel for that is kind of ridiculous. The main exports from Muslim countries would still be oil and terrorism even without an Israel.
     
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    It is easier if they just kicked out the Palestinians using tanks, why bother with any negotiations? Only thing is remember how long it took Israel to get back to their homeland, unless you kill them all, who knows what will happen to Palestinians in the future.
     
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    Helping Israel at every turn certainly didn't help USA in Muslim world that is for sure, my question is what did this country get out of this relationship.
     
  12. Cohete Rojo

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    I see what this is about.
     
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    I did not say that. You are being obtuse.
     
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    I was quoting your earlier post. But OK, so what are the benefits to the United States. You mentioned respecting Israel, but we show our respect with financial and military support. By not having our embassy in Jerusalem did the Israelis indicate they would no longer be as close of an ally?

    And you mention there are some cons, but that those are not many and they are far outweighed by the benefits. Seems the cons are significant (disrupt the peace process between Israel and Palestine, upset regional stability, possibly leading to the breaking of UN laws). So what are the benefits that so far outnumber and outweigh the cons?
     
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    Well sure, they could do that, but they still foolishly think they can pacify a group that supports terrorism so they'll keep trying to work something out diplomatically despite the fact that it is obviously doomed to fail. They keep hoping that the Palestinians will one day care enough about their children and their children's future to make them put aside their irrational hatred for the Israelis.

    Sure that's naive, but they are erring on the side of compassion so I can't blame them too much for it.

    It's not "helping them at every turn" by putting an embassy in their capital city. Do you feel like the US embassy in London is "helping England at every turn"? Is it "helping Iraq at every turn" by having an embassy in Baghdad?

    It's just standard procedure to have an embassy in capital cities of foreign countries.
     
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    What EXACTLY does the US gain from support Israel so absolutely?

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    What EXACTLY does the US gain from not having an embassy in Israel's capital city?
     
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    Jesus will return and burn the bad Jews,the US will go to heaven ,but they must have their promised Land first though
     
  19. Cohete Rojo

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    We now set the example and set the tone when it comes to standing for democracy and first-world values. I wish Trump would restore diplomatic relations with Taiwan, but that’s not happening (though it should).

    Fact is, this benefits the US because we now stand for what we say we stand for. We stand with those who hold the same values as ourselves.
     
  20. pirc1

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    Helping them every time there is an UN vote, military aid, etc. Setting up the embassy is just another step in the long line of things that US does to help Israel, there is diplomatic capital involved, nothing is free. What did the US get in return?
     

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