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May 9 - THE CONTENTS OF THE IRANIAN PRESIDENT'S LETTER (MUST READ!)

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    Kinda of a long read, but very intresting.





    Mr George Bush,
    President of the United States of America
    For sometime now I have been thinking, how one can justify the undeniable contradictions
    that exist in the international arena -- which are being constantly debated, specially in political
    forums and amongst university students. Many questions remain unanswered. These have
    prompted me to discuss some of the contradictions and questions, in the hopes that it might
    bring about an opportunity to redress them.
    Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the great Messenger of God,
    Feel obliged to respect human rights,
    Present liberalism as a civilization model,
    Announce one’s opposition to the proliferation of nuclear weapons and WMDs,
    Make “War and Terror” his slogan,
    And finally,
    Work towards the establishment of a unified international community – a community which
    Christ and the virtuous of the Earth will one day govern,
    But at the same time,
    Have countries attacked; The lives, reputations and possessions of people destroyed and on
    the slight chance of the … of a … criminals in a village city, or convoy for example the entire
    village, city or convey set ablaze.
    Or because of the possibility of the existence of WMDs in one country, it is occupied, around
    one hundred thousand people killed, its water sources, agriculture and industry destroyed,
    close to 180,000 foreign troops put on the ground, sanctity of private homes of citizens
    broken, and the country pushed back perhaps fifty years. At what price? Hundreds of billions
    of dollars spent from the treasury of one country and certain other countries and tens of
    thousands of young men and women – as occupation troops – put in harms way, taken away
    from family and love ones, their hands stained with the blood of others, subjected to so much
    psychological pressure that everyday some commit suicide ant those returning home suffer
    depression, become sickly and grapple with all sorts of aliments; while some are killed and
    their bodies handed of their families.
    On the pretext of the existence of WMDs, this great tragedy came to engulf both the peoples
    of the occupied and the occupying country. Later it was revealed that no WMDs existed to
    begin with.
    Of course Saddam was a murderous dictator. But the war was not waged to topple him, the
    announced goal of the war was to find and destroy weapons of mass destruction. He was
    toppled along the way towards another goal, nevertheless the people of the region are happy
    about it. I point out that throughout the many years of the … war on Iran Saddam was
    supported by the West.
    Mr President,
    You might know that I am a teacher. My students ask me how can theses actions be
    reconciled with the values outlined at the beginning of this letter and duty to the tradition of
    Jesus Christ (PBUH), the Messenger of peace and forgiveness.
    There are prisoners in Guantanamo Bay that have not been tried, have no legal representation,
    their families cannot see them and are obviously kept in a strange land outside their own
    country. There is no international monitoring of their conditions and fate. No one knows
    whether they are prisoners, POWs, accused or criminals.
    European investigators have confirmed the existence of secret prisons in Europe too. I could
    not correlate the abduction of a person, and him or her being kept in secret prisons, with the
    provisions of any judicial system. For that matter, I fail to understand how such actions
    correspond to the values outlined in the beginning of this letter, i.e. the teachings of Jesus
    Christ (PBUH), human rights and liberal values.
    Young people, university students and ordinary people have many questions about the
    phenomenon of Israel. I am sure you are familiar with some of them.
    Throughout history many countries have been occupied, but I think the establishment of a
    new country with a new people, is a new phenomenon that is exclusive to our times.
    Students are saying that sixty years ago such a country did no exist. The show old documents
    and globes and say try as we have, we have not been able to find a country named Israel.
    I tell them to study the history of WWI and II. One of my students told me that during WWII,
    which more than tens of millions of people perished in, news about the war, was quickly
    disseminated by the warring parties. Each touted their victories and the most recent battlefront
    defeat of the other party. After the war, they claimed that six million Jews had been killed. Six
    million people that were surely related to at least two million families.
    Again let us assume that these events are true. Does that logically translate into the
    establishment of the state of Israel in the Middle East or support for such a state? How can
    this phenomenon be rationalised or explained?
    Mr President,
    I am sure you know how – and at what cost – Israel was established:
    - Many thousands were killed in the process.
    - Millions of indigenous people were made refugees.
    - Hundred of thousands of hectares of farmland, olive plantations, towns and villages
    were destroyed.
    This tragedy is not exclusive to the time of establishment; unfortunately it has been ongoing
    for sixty years now.
    A regime has been established which does not show mercy even to kids, destroys houses
    while the occupants are still in them, announces beforehand its list and plans to assassinate
    Palestinian figures and keeps thousands of Palestinians in prison. Such a phenomenon is
    unique – or at the very least extremely rare – in recent memory.
    Another big question asked by people is why is this regime being supported?
    Is support for this regime in line with the teachings of Jesus Christ (PBUH) or Moses (PBUH)
    or liberal values?
    Or are we to understand that allowing the original inhabitants of these lands – inside and
    outside Palestine – whether they are Christian, Muslim or Jew, to determine their fate, runs
    contrary to principles of democracy, human rights and the teachings of prophets? If not, why
    is there so much opposition to a referendum?
    The newly elected Palestinian administration recently took office. All independent observes
    have confirmed that this government represents the electorate. Unbelievingly, they have put
    the elected government under pressure and have advised it to recognise the Israeli regime,
    abandon the struggle and follow the programs of the previous government.
    If the current Palestinian government had run on the above platform, would the Palestinian
    people have voted for it? Again, can such position taken in opposition to the Palestinian
    government be reconciled with the values outlined earlier? The people are also saying “why
    are all UNSC resolutions in condemnation of Israel vetoed?”
    Mr President,
    As you are well aware, I live amongst the people and am in constant contact with them --
    many people from around the Middle East manage to contact me as well. They dot not have
    faith in these dubious policies either. There is evidence that the people of the region are
    becoming increasingly angry with such policies.
    It is not my intention to pose to many questions, but I need to refer to other points as well.
    Why is it that any technological and scientific achievement reached in the Middle East
    regions is translated into and portrayed as a threat to the Zionist regime? Is not scientific
    R&D one of the basic rights of nations.
    You are familiar with history. Aside from the Middle Ages, in what other point in history has
    scientific and technical progress been a crime? Can the possibility of scientific achievements
    being utilised for military purposes be reason enough to oppose science and technology
    altogether? If such a supposition is true, then all scientific disciplines, including physics,
    chemistry, mathematics, medicine, engineering, etc. must be opposed.
    Lies were told in the Iraqi matter. What was the result? I have no doubt that telling lies is
    reprehensible in any culture, and you do not like to be lied to.
    Mr President,
    Don’t Latin Americans have the right to ask, why their elected governments are being
    opposed and coup leaders supported? Or, why must they constantly be threatened and live in
    fear?
    The people of Africa are hardworking, creative and talented. They can play an important and
    valuable role in providing for the needs of humanity and contribute to its material and
    spiritual progress. Poverty and hardship in large parts of Africa are preventing this from
    happening. Don’t they have the right to ask why their enormous wealth – including minerals –
    is being looted, despite the fact that they need it more than others?
    Again, do such actions correspond to the teachings of Christ and the tenets of human rights?
    The brave and faithful people of Iran too have many questions and grievances, including: the
    coup d’etat of 1953 and the subsequent toppling of the legal government of the day,
    opposition to the Islamic revolution, transformation of an Embassy into a headquarters
    supporting, the activities of those opposing the Islamic Republic (many thousands of pages of
    documents corroborates this claim), support for Saddam in the war waged against Iran, the
    shooting down of the Iranian passenger plane, freezing the assets of the Iranian nation,
    increasing threats, anger and displeasure vis-à-vis the scientific and nuclear progress of the
    Iranian nation (just when all Iranians are jubilant and collaborating their country’s progress),
    and many other grievances that I will not refer to in this letter.
    Mr President,
    September Eleven was a horrendous incident. The killing of innocents is deplorable and
    appalling in any part of the world. Our government immediately declared its disgust with the
    perpetrators and offered its condolences to the bereaved and expressed its sympathies.
    All governments have a duty to protect the lives, property and good standing of their citizens.

    Reportedly your government employs extensive security, protection and intelligence systems
    – and even hunts its opponents abroad. September eleven was not a simple operation. Could it
    be planned and executed without coordination with intelligence and security services – or
    their extensive infiltration? Of course this is just an educated guess. Why have the various
    aspects of the attacks been kept secret? Why are we not told who botched their
    responsibilities? And, why aren’t those responsible and the guilty parties identified and put
    on trial?
    All governments have a duty to provide security and peace of mind for their citizens. For
    some years now, the people of your country and neighbours of world trouble spots do not
    have peace of mind. After 9.11, instead of healing and tending to the emotional wounds of the
    survivors and the American people – who had been immensely traumatised by the attacks –
    some Western media only intensified the climates of fear and insecurity – some constantly
    talked about the possibility of new terror attacks and kept the people in fear. Is that service to
    the American people? Is it possible to calculate the damages incurred from fear and panic?
    American citizen lived in constant fear of fresh attacks that could come at any moment and in
    any place. They felt insecure in the streets, in their place of work and at home. Who would be
    happy with this situation? Why was the media, instead of conveying a feeling of security and
    providing peace of mind, giving rise to a feeling of insecurity?
    Some believe that the hype paved the way – and was the justification – for an attack on
    Afghanistan. Again I need to refer to the role of media.
    In media charters, correct dissemination of information and honest reporting of a story are
    established tenets. I express my deep regret about the disregard shown by certain Western
    media for these principles. The main pretext for an attack on Iraq was the existence of
    WMDs. This was repeated incessantly – for the public to, finally, believe – and the ground
    set for an attack on Iraq.
    Will the truth not be lost in a contrive and deceptive climate?
    Again, if the truth is allowed to be lost, how can that be reconciled with the earlier mentioned
    values?
    Is the truth known to the Almighty lost as well?
    Mr President,
    In countries around the world, citizens provide for the expenses of governments so that their
    governments in turn are able to serve them.
    The question here is “what has the hundreds of billions of dollars, spent every year to pay for
    the Iraqi campaign, produced for the citizens?”
    As your Excellency is aware, in some states of your country, people are living in poverty.
    Many thousands are homeless and unemployment is a huge problem. Of course these
    problems exist – to a larger or lesser extent – in other countries as well. With these conditions
    in mind, can the gargantuan expenses of the campaign – paid from the public treasury – be
    explained and be consistent with the aforementioned principles?
    What has been said, are some of the grievances of the people around the world, in our region
    and in your country. But my main contention – which I am hoping you will agree to some of
    it – is:
    Those in power have specific time in office, and do not rule indefinitely, but their names will
    be recorded in history and will be constantly judged in the immediate and distant futures.
    The people will scrutinize our presidencies.
    Did we manage to bring peace, security and prosperity for the people or insecurity and
    unemployment?
    Did we intend to establish justice, or just supported especial interest groups, and by forcing
    many people to live in poverty and hardship, made a few people rich and powerful – thus
    trading the approval of the people and the Almighty with theirs’?
    Did we defend the rights of the underprivileged or ignore them?
    Did we defend the rights of all people around the world or imposed wars on them, interfered
    illegally in their affairs, established hellish prisons and incarcerated some of them?
    Did we bring the world peace and security or raised the specter of intimidation and threats?
    Did we tell the truth to our nation and others around the world or presented an inverted
    version of it?
    Were we on the side of people or the occupiers and oppressors?
    Did our administration set out to promote rational behaviour, logic, ethics, peace, fulfilling
    obligations, justice, service to the people, prosperity, progress and respect for human dignity
    or the force of guns.
    Intimidation, insecurity, disregard for the people, delaying the progress and excellence of
    other nations, and trample on people’s rights?
    And finally, they will judge us on whether we remained true to our oath of office – to serve
    the people, which is our main task, and the traditions of the prophets – or not?
    Mr President,
    How much longer can the world tolerate this situation?
    Where will this trend lead the world to?
    How long must the people of the world pay for the incorrect decisions of some rulers?
    How much longer will the specter of insecurity – raised from the stockpiles of weapons of
    mass destruction – hunt the people of the world?
    How much longer will the blood of the innocent men, women and children be spilled on the
    streets, and people’s houses destroyed over their heads?
    Are you pleased with the current condition of the world?
    Do you think present policies can continue?
    If billions of dollars spent on security, military campaigns and troop movement were instead
    spent on investment and assistance for poor countries, promotion of health, combating
    different diseases, education and improvement of mental and physical fitness, assistance to
    the victims of natural disasters, creation of employment opportunities and production,
    development projects and poverty alleviation, establishment of peace, mediation between
    disputing states and distinguishing the flames of racial, ethnic and other conflicts were would
    the world be today? Would not your government, and people be justifiably proud?
    Would not your administration’s political and economic standing have been stronger?
    And I am most sorry to say, would there have been an ever increasing global hatred of the
    American governments?
    Mr President, it is not my intention to distress anyone.
    If prophet Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ishmael, Joseph or Jesus Christ (PBUH) were with us
    today, how would they have judged such behaviour? Will we be given a role to play in the
    promised world, where justice will become universal and Jesus Christ (PBUH) will be
    present? Will they even accept us?
    My basic question is this: Is there no better way to interact with the rest of the world? Today
    there are hundreds of millions of Christians, hundreds of millions of Moslems and millions of
    people who follow the teachings of Moses (PBUH). All divine religions share and respect on
    word and that is “monotheism” or belief in a single God and no other in the world.
    The holy Koran stresses this common word and calls on an followers of divine religions and
    says: [3.64] Say: O followers of the Book! Come to an equitable proposition between us and
    you that we shall not serve any but Allah and (that) we shall not associate aught. With Him
    and (that) some of us shall not take others for lords besides Allah, but if they turn back, then
    say: Bear witness that we are Muslims. (The Family of Imran).
    Mr President,
    According to divine verses, we have all been called upon to worship one God and follow the
    teachings of divine prophets.
    “To worship a God which is above all powers in the world and can do all He pleases.” “The
    Lord which knows that which is hidden and visible, the past and the future, knows what goes
    on in the Hearts of His servants and records their deeds.”
    “The Lord who is the possessor of the heavens and the earth and all universe is His court”
    “planning for the universe is done by His hands, and gives His servants the glad tidings of
    mercy and forgiveness of sins”. “He is the companion of the oppressed and the enemy of
    oppressors”. “He is the Compassionate, the Merciful”. “He is the recourse of the faithful and
    guides them towards the light from darkness”. “He is witness to the actions of His servants”,
    “He calls on servants to be faithful and do good deeds, and asks them to stay on the path of
    righteousness and remain steadfast”. “Calls on servants to heed His prophets and He is a
    witness to their deeds.” “A bad ending belongs only to those who have chosen the life of this
    world and disobey Him and oppress His servants”. And “A good and eternal paradise belong
    to those servants who fear His majesty and do not follow their lascivious selves.”
    We believe a return to the teachings of the divine prophets is the only road leading to
    salvations. I have been told that Your Excellency follows the teachings of Jesus (PBUH), and
    believes in the divine promise of the rule of the righteous on Earth.
    We also believe that Jesus Christ (PBUH) was one of the great prophets of the Almighty. He
    has been repeatedly praised in the Koran. Jesus (PBUH) has been quoted in Koran as well;
    [19,36] And surely Allah is my Lord and your Lord, therefore serves Him; this is the right
    path, Marium.
    Service to and obedience of the Almighty is the credo of all divine messengers.
    The God of all people in Europe, Asia, Africa, America, the Pacific and the rest of the world
    is one. He is the Almighty who wants to guide and give dignity to all His servants. He has
    given greatness to Humans.
    We again read in the Holy Book: “The Almighty God sent His prophets with miracles and
    clear signs to guide the people and show them divine signs and purity them from sins and
    pollutions. And He sent the Book and the balance so that the people display justice and avoid
    the rebellious.”
    All of the above verses can be seen, one way or the other, in the Good Book as well.
    Divine prophets have promised:
    The day will come when all humans will congregate before the court of the Almighty, so that
    their deeds are examined. The good will be directed towards Haven and evildoers will meet
    divine retribution. I trust both of us believe in such a day, but it will not be easy to calculate
    the actions of rulers, because we must be answerable to our nations and all others whose lives
    have been directly or indirectly effected by our actions.
    All prophets, speak of peace and tranquillity for man – based on monotheism, justice and
    respect for human dignity.
    Do you not think that if all of us come to believe in and abide by these principles, that is,
    monotheism, worship of God, justice, respect for the dignity of man, belief in the Last Day,
    we can overcome the present problems of the world – that are the result of disobedience to the
    Almighty and the teachings of prophets – and improve our performance?
    Do you not think that belief in these principles promotes and guarantees peace, friendship and
    justice?
    Do you not think that the aforementioned written or unwritten principles are universally
    respected?
    Will you not accept this invitation? That is, a genuine return to the teachings of prophets, to
    monotheism and justice, to preserve human dignity and obedience to the Almighty and His
    prophets?
    Mr President,
    History tells us that repressive and cruel governments do not survive. God has entrusted
    The fate of man to them. The Almighty has not left the universe and humanity to their own
    devices. Many things have happened contrary to the wishes and plans of governments. These
    tell us that there is a higher power at work and all events are determined by Him.
    Can one deny the signs of change in the world today?
    Is this situation of the world today comparable to that of ten years ago? Changes happen fast
    and come at a furious pace.
    The people of the world are not happy with the status quo and pay little heed to the promises
    and comments made by a number of influential world leaders. Many people around the wolrd
    feel insecure and oppose the spreading of insecurity and war and do not approve of and accept
    dubious policies.
    The people are protesting the increasing gap between the haves and the have-nots and the rich
    and poor countries.
    The people are disgusted with increasing corruption.
    The people of many countries are angry about the attacks on their cultural foundations and the
    disintegration of families. They are equally dismayed with the fading of care and compassion.
    The people of the world have no faith in international organisations, because their rights are
    not advocated by these organisations.
    Liberalism and Western style democracy have not been able to help realize the ideals of
    humanity. Today these two concepts have failed. Those with insight can already hear the
    sounds of the shattering and fall of the ideology and thoughts of the liberal democratic
    systems.
    We increasingly see that people around the world are flocking towards a main focal point –
    that is the Almighty God. Undoubtedly through faith in God and the teachings of the
    prophets, the people will conquer their problems. My question for you is: “Do you not want to
    join them?”
    Mr President,
    Whether we like it or not, the world is gravitating towards faith in the Almighty and justice
    and the will of God will prevail over all things.
    Vasalam Ala Man Ataba’al hoda
    Mahmood Ahmadi-Najad
    President of the Islamic Republic of Iran
     
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    I might read it if it was formatted but as it is it just gives me a headache.
     
  4. KingCheetah

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    Yeah, i'm sure George W. Bush is going to read all of that letter.
     
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    LOL!! hahaha.
     
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    Reports have the letter at 19 pages long, even double spaced, this is only 10 pages. Yes I am a dork and formatted it. Are we sure this is in fact the real deal?

    I would love to read the letter though.
     
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    my favorite part is the part where he says, "do you like me like me? or just like me?"
     
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    or when he asked for a ride ride :D
     
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    Well at least it's at a level Jr would understand. ;)
     
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    This guy assumes too much...
     
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    Dubya don't like axises of evildoers.
    Dubya don't like books.
    Dubya would need another vacation at the thought of reading that.
     
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    PROOF!!!!


    Mr George Bush,
    President of the United States of America
    For sometime now
    I have been thinking, how one can justify the undeniable contradictions that exist in the international arena -- which are being constantly debated, specially in political forums and amongst university students. Many questions remain unanswered. These have prompted me to discuss some of the contradictions and questions, in the hopes that it might
    bring about an opportunity to redress them.

    Can one be a follower of Jesus Christ (PBUH), the great Messenger of God, Feel obliged to respect human rights, Present liberalism as a civilization model,
    .......possessions of people destroyed and on the slight chance of the … of a … criminals in a village city, or convoy for example the entire village, city or convey set ablaze. Or because of the possibility of the existence of
    WMDs in one country, it is occupied, around
    one hundred thousand people killed....
     
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    Very interesting read, and several valid points. The West often forgets how brilliant Ahmadi-Najad is as a leader and academic.
     
  15. DaDakota

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    Too bad we have a seperation of church and state, and the teachings of Jesus have no merit in US decisions.

    DD
     
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    Too bad that the translation is sophomoric. Damn, it is almost as bad as my spelling.
     
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    Thank you...I was talking about poor translations in another thread relating to Iran and everybody and their mom jumped all over me...kinda like when the dream used to receive the ball in the low post back in the day
     
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    Sounds like the Iranian is scared. He saw what happened to Saddam and fears he's next. Good.

    Also - he's obsessed with religion in his letter. That's not how America works (liberals, put your r****ded jokes here. tia).
     
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    What do you mean by translation? Wasn't the original letter written in English?

    I recall some posters making fun of Iranian President using old school typewriter or something.
     
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    How anyone could draw this conclusion from that letter is beyond reason.
     

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