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Les Alexander: Rockets are contenders and do not need to get out of the first round

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Carl Herrera, Jan 17, 2015.

  1. RoxBeliever

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    Guys, you're not the owner, right?

    He's speaking from the owner's perspective. He's happy with the team and considers the season already a success because we've gotten back into the conversation as a contender. He will see this season as growth even if we don't get far in the playoffs.

    I think he's saying it to lessen the pressure on the players and coaches. But of course, he's also looking for playoff success. Just not the carrot-stick approach. Morey is the one who is the hard-baller here.
     
  2. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Les Alexander is not someone to listen to regarding basketball - he is an ok owner, but not someone to give two anythings about.

    DD
     
  3. Amiga

    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    So now we know. He's a MOF.
     
  4. justtxyank

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    a bunch of posters in this thread have shown a total lack of maturity and perspective.
     
  5. daywalker02

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    IMO you can't just win a championship out of the blue

    Rockets did that with the 6th seed but how many teams are going to repeat that and how long does it take to witness that?

    You have to go through second round exits, WC finals exits and Finals losses.

    We do not even get the opportunity to stand in the WC finals as of now.
     
  6. HardenWay

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    Yeah and we have had 2 first round exits in a row. Another first round exit shows the team is stagnant, there has been no growth if we do not at least get into the second round.
     
  7. CCity Zero

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    Yeah, definitely like to see 2nd round (at least)... Man NBA is definitely tough, just seems windows can be short sometimes. Obviously SAS are special case, but most teams come and go quickly (5-10 years is nothing, sometimes even shorter). I just hope this team gets somewhere before it's time to start over. Houston has been lucky to avoid several rebuild seasons in a row, but I sometimes wonder if that'd be better if it meant going somewhere in the playoffs.
     
  8. NicktheBrick

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    Alexander's comments are perfectly consistent with his lack of holding Morey accountable. It's all "feel-good" and Morey has mastered that.
     
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  9. RoxBeliever

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    Huh? We all can agree that Morey has been improving the team incrementally. We're still missing pieces, we're still to be tested with a playoff run, but surely we are better than than our team last year.
     
  10. Liberon

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    Maybe Les has had dementia for years that it might be Alzheimer's at this point.... He can't really mean this.
     
  11. daywalker02

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    Les wanted Jeremy at all cost (8 million) to make more money

    Obviously there are more important things than just winning
     
  12. GMNot

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    Seems odd at first... but he is looking at trending. Since signing Harden, and excluding injuries, the trend has been positive. Bosh was a real disappointment at the time, but the backup plan has certainly improved the defense this season. A good trend. Offense hasn't suffered. A good trend. Recently, two good defensive players wanted to come here. Two vets from previous championship teams wanted to come here. A good trend.

    Match-ups do matter. It is why #1 seeds have been eliminated in the first round before. The Rockets will almost certainly not see the Warriors in the first round. And I expect once the playoffs begin, their recollection of the Portland series will become very vivid again. If they can't muster the effort (the current up and down trend) needed to win in the playoffs once they start, it won't be on the coaching staff. That's purely a desire for redemption by the players -- or should be. It is part of the reason Harden became more defensive. Sure it seemed like it was the FIBA games and that he inherited a leadership role. But the Portland loss will never be far away in his or Howard's mind come playoff time. We can't forget that there are quite a number of new faces who didn't experience that bitter pill.

    I think Harden and Howard's focus come playoff time will be contagious. Terry and Ariza have been in that atmosphere and won't need to catch the disease, but some of the younger players will, likely, need to. Terry and Ariza should be a help in that regard. I hope Howard and Harden will be leaders in the true sense of the word and lead by example. If they do, I have every hope there will be no first-round exit this time around.

    The game Wednesday against the Warriors doesn't have to be a win, but if it becomes a loss similar to Saturday's, it could put just enough doubt in the Rockets minds to mess with that specific playoff effort, if they end up playing the Warriors in the 2nd or 3rd round. A good close game, even it it's lost in the last minute or two won't hurt their psyche as bad as another blowout. A win would, hopefully, be the start of another good trend.
     
  13. OpportunityCost

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    Wow, this sounds like he has accepted in his head that they won't make it out of the first round with McHale and this is his way of feeling okay about it - saying "we don't need it". REALLY?? This is some major cognitive dissonance and very disheartening to hear from Les.
     
  14. Carl Herrera

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    The history of the NBA suggests that this is not the case. There have been plenty of teams who go from early playoff exits to the title.

    The 2010-11 Mavs won the title. In the 4 years before, they exited in the 1st round, 1st round, 2nd round and 1st round.

    The 1993-1994 Rockets won the title. In the 6 years leading up to it, they exited the 1st round 4 times, the 2nd round once, and missed the playoffs once.

    The 2007-08 Celtics won the title after exiting in the 1st round twice and missing the playoffs twice.

    Often, substantial-- or even dramatic-- roster changes are involved (Tyson Chandler for the Mavs, KG and Ray Allen for the Celtics) but there is nothing to say that a team has to go through all these incremental steps in the playoffs in order to get to the Finals or win the title. You just need the right talent on the roster.
     
  15. amazingskills

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    honestly i think no owner care about winning...if their team is popular and doing even remotely good in RS they are fine...i dont think any owner is losing his sleep over playoffs failures....
     
  16. LosPollosHermanos

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    How incredibly misleading. The Mavs had enjoyed plenty of playoff success with the Dirk led squad before they won the ring, they even made it to the finals 5 years prior to that...

    The Celtics are the only I'll give you, and thats because they assembled one of the best fitted teams in NBA history
     
  17. Carl Herrera

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    The Mavs example is hardly misleading. By the time the 2011 playoffs happened, the only players remaining from their prior Finals teams in 2006 were Dirk and Terry. The rest of their key guys were totally different: Tyson Chandler, Jason Kidd, Shawn Marion, JJ Barea, DeShawn Stevenson, Peja Stojakovic, etc. They even had a different coach.

    The point is that the Mavs hardly were a case of a team making incremental steps building up to the Finals-- when you have the right talent, you can get there. This is especially true in an era where players move freely and frequently among teams. Jason Kidd certainly had had playoff success in his career before 2011, it does not matter that such success happened in another uniform. It mattered that Dirk and Jason Terry were on the team, but it mattered because these guys were good at basketball in 2011, not because they were on a Finals team in 2006 in Dallas.

    In this light, the current Rockets have guys who have had playoff success in their careers. Both Howard and Harden were in the Finals, Terry, Ariza and Brewer were on title-winning teams. I don't know why it matters that these happened on different teams.

    Of course, the current Rockets are not title favorites-- they are a middle seed team in a conference without a clear favorite. However, the issue here isn't what last year's team or the team from the year before did or did not do, the issue is whether the current team's roster has enough talent going into the playoffs.
     
  18. daywalker02

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    There is a difference between legit contenders and absolute favorites.....

    IMO Mavs, Pistons were legit contenders

    Celtics were favorites (because of the Lakers not absolute favorites)
    Spurs were co favorites

    Lakers, Heat were absolute favorites IMO

    They sound to fans like the same but expectations are different.

    Favorites should win more just once.... they should repeat, three-peat

    Contenders should just win one or twice at most and everyone is ecstatic
     
  19. deshen

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    in another word, who cares win or lose, all I need is the sellout seats. :mad:
     
  20. NBAandNFLFan

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    what a dumb thing to say, and its honestly depressing to hear as a long time rockets fan

    wasting hardens prime with an inept coach
     

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