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Kennedy to retire - USSC will swing even further right

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. Bobbythegreat

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    That's a good example of a legitimate compromise that was offered, something that God King Barry would have never even thought to do. His idea of compromise was finding middle ground between the extremists in his party and the base of his party.
     
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    For ANY compromise bill to pass, it needs support of both sides not to mention that anything getting through the Senate requires Democrat support to get past the inevitable filibuster of literally anything the Republicans try to do....so I'm sure you know that your statement was intellectually dishonest and it would be better if you'd refrain from that in the future.
     
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    Trump told us Mexico would pay for the wall. Congress wouldn't be needed to fund something for which Mexico was going to pay.
     
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    Ah, so you are going to skip past what's actually being talked about then? Gotcha, impossible to take you serious when you pull stunts like this, but you be you.
     
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    How is that compromise when it is something the Dems want 0% of?

    It's not compromise when you offer the other party something you know they won't accept under no circumstance. So, when the next democratic president is in power I expect you to think that getting rid of guns is part of a fair compromise?

    It's a non-starter. Period, besides, Mexico was going to pay for the wall. He promised that. Remember? Your God Emperor lied to you.
     
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    Lol yes. You are so far to the right that Bob Dole is now an extremist liberal and Mitt Romney.

    https://newrepublic.com/article/73974/obamas-moderate-health-care-plan
     
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    No, I'm the one not skipping around what was actually talked about. Trump "talked about" Mexico paying for the wall. Congress isn't needed for that. I'm addressing what Trump was actually talking about. Making the United States Congress use taxpayer money for the wall isn't what Trump was talking about. All of this congress nonsense is skipping past what was actually being talked about.
     
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    LOL you seriously have no self awareness, the Democrats DID want a path to citizenship for DACA people and you say that's something Dems want 0% of while talking about Obamacare as a compromise despite it actually being something Republicans wanted 0% of.....are you doing this on purpose?
     
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    Something the Dems want 0% of? But they claim they want these illegals who have been here for years to be able to stay. Trump offered them exactly that.

    Their rebuff of his compromise exposed their lies for what they are.
     
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    Yeah, you really were. Trump's comments during the campaign have no relevance to this conversation, it's just an attempt to distract from the conversation after you were caught lying.
     
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    So the only to talk about what is being talked about is to ignore what was first talked about by Trump? Why are saying that Trump's promises on the subject aren't relevant?

    For the record, I didn't lie. Nothing you mentioned shows me lying in any way shape or form.
     
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    When it comes to mandating at the federal level that people purchase health insurance, sure. I guess I would be more of a libertarian than any of them.....but that's part of the reason why I'm not a republican and not really a "conservative" either though I am a slightly right of center libertarian.
     
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    What was being talked about was the compromise bill proposed by Trump, you wanted to side step that, so you first lied by saying that the Republicans don't need Democrat support to get it through congress and then when you were called out for lying like that, you doubled down on talking about campaign rhetoric instead of what we were actually talking about.

    Now it seems you want to lie about having gotten caught lying. Not a great look.
     
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    Are you both dense?

    The Dems want 0 part OF THE WALL.

    Republicans actually proposed Obamacare, he took the idea from them. The Dems didn't want the wall, never wanted the wall, and Mexico was supposed to pay for it.

    It's not compromise when part of the deal is to accept something you loathe. That's like kidnapping someone's daughter and then telling them you'll give her back but only if you give them ______. This is called hostage taking. That's what Trump tried. He put something toxic in the deal knowing the Dems would not accept it.
     
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    They can't help themsevles. Their Emperor Ruler King lied and they can't accept the simple fact that they all followed along. Some of them were Never Trumpers too! But they all fall right in line.

    Mexico would pay for the wall, Trump promised that, and now he's trying to get Government to pay for it...I always thought Conservatives were against government spending too but I guess when God speaks you kiss his feet and say yes.
     
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    Yeah....that's why it's a compromise. Republicans want 0 part of amnesty so you give something you want 0 part of for something the other side wants 0 part of. That's how compromise works. Both sides get something they want for something they don't want.

    You can keep repeating the lie about Obamacare all you want, but it got literally 0 support from Republicans and couldn't even get support from Democrats until they were bribed enough. It was in no way a compromise, it was a "**** you, I won, I get what I want"
     
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    I guess it does kind of suck for your side that Harry Reid got rid of the filibuster rule for the courts.

    Before you say it, yes I know Reid did not include SCOTUS appointments but it was a natural progression to include SCOTUS nominations. McConnell would have never done that if Reid wouldn't have done it for the lower courts first.
     
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    Wrong, there are plenty of Republicans that want amnesty. I know to you they probably are radical leftists though. In fact, this is why your party can't pass anything on immigration because outside of trying to find a bipartisan solution the more radical republicans want to be as strict as possible and the more moderates don't.

    No lie here. Not his fault that once he adopted a position, even a conservative one, the GOP obstructed.
     
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    Big, big difference between lower court and Supreme Court. And not a "natural progression, but an extreme escalation of changing rules and procedures to spite the other. And mcconnell/republicans outright blocked a eminently qualified and respected nominee which again, was unprecedented.

    But these actions do not simply suck for "my side", but they suck for the country. Such an extreme politicization of the judicial branch will hurt the country, even if the politicization currently and temporarily favors "your side". Hopefully the country isn't too damaged by this, and hopefully when the pendulum swings the other direction those newly in control have the same or worse motivation of spite.
     
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    I think about as many Republicans want amnesty as Democrats want border security....though right now with the base moving towards supporting open borders I'm sure they wouldn't be allowed to admit it else the unhinged left would seek to destroy them. The offer of a path to citizenship for millions in exchange for a border wall to help with border security was a real attempt at a bipartisan solution, something we haven't seen in a REALLY long time.

    Anyway, it's pretty clear that you seem to think that "compromise" means you getting everything you want and not giving up anything.....which makes sense since you seem to have that idea in common with your boy God King Barry.

    LOL you are so out there that you actually believe that Obamacare is a conservative position.....that makes your whole socialist nonsense the other day make a LOT more sense. I can't imagine how the world must look from the absolute fringes of the left, but it sounds pretty crazy.
     
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