There are books is not an argument. There are about conspiracy theories... you drank the coolaid... look at the solid information. There is a reason mueller hasnt released his report.
There’s a lot of talk about “the report” but the reality is there are multiple “reports” already in the court on the grand jury’s desk, and spread amongst at least two other districts court system (SDNY and DC). The question of “did they collude” is most likely already in the court system and the big question is what can Matt Whitaker do to literally destroy sealed indictments, and order entire cases (like the case vs the Russians which alone can list Americans as co-conspirators) shut down this late in the process. The SDNY for instance literally has the power to arrest the Trump family minus Donald. What power does Whitaker have to step in and obstruct their power to do so? Now there will likely be “a report” that is essentially a “for Congress only” referral for impeachment based on obstruction of justice. Important note here. Whitaker can totally refuse to submit that report to Congress or be made public. When that inevitably happens, I’ve heard conflicting things but Mueller can either go directly to Congress because of oversight, Congress can subpoena him to come to them, or (what I think is a real possibility) Mueller can go ahead and ask the grand jury to indict Trump which in that case Whitaker is required by law to go to Congress if he refuses to indict. There are many things here that are just unavoidable. Good news though is I can guarantee you Mueller knew this day was coming months ago and is ready for it. I’m pretty sure he can out maneuver the host of celebrity apprentice and his lackey whose only professional achievement was running a fake investor assistance infomercial company.
Tom Steyer in the NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/08/opinion/democrats-impeach-trump.html Why Democrats Must Impeach the President They won the House by promising to hold Trump accountable. By Tom Steyer Mr. Steyer is the founder of Need to Impeach and NextGen America. Nov. 8, 2018 On Tuesday, voters across the country demanded accountability in government, insisting their elected representatives not just talk a good game but act in the interests of the American people. Nationwide, Democrats received 7 percent more votes than Republicans — about three million — in an election that saw a higher percentage of voters than any midterm since 1966. Those voters flipped seven governorships and 367 state legislative seats to Democrats, giving them majorities in seven more state chambers. Most important, voters ended Donald Trump and his Republican enablers’ free rein in Washington by flipping the House. But this blue wave should have been even bigger. Democrats’ inability to run the table on a Republican Party that depended on lying, race-baiting and suppressing the vote is a sign that the American people do not know what the Democratic Party stands for. We Democrats can begin to answer that question by acting to guarantee equal justice under the law. As President Trump continues to accelerate his lawlessness, the new Democratic House majority must initiate impeachment proceedings against him as soon as it takes office in January. For nearly two years, Mr. Trump has publicly flouted his oath of office. He has turned the presidency into a moneymaking enterprise for a family business he refuses to divest from, in direct violation of any plain reading of the Constitution. He is all but an unindicted co-conspirator in two federal felony cases. He has created an atmosphere of criminality through his hateful, violent rhetoric against political opponents, journalists and private citizens alike. Most egregiously, he has a longstanding pattern of obstructing justice. On Wednesday, he continued this by firing Attorney General Jeff Sessions and installing Matthew Whitaker — who has publicly called for curtailing the special counsel’s investigation — as acting attorney general, sparking a constitutional crisis that threatens the rule of law itself. As the list of Mr. Trump’s impeachable offenses — at least nine and counting — has grown, more than 6.2 million people across the country have signed a petition, created by my organization Need to Impeach, demanding that their representatives confront his lawlessness. For months, public support for impeaching the president has been roughly equal to what it was before Richard Nixon resigned. Yet the current Democratic leadership has insisted that no one so much as mention the word “impeachment.” Instead, they have suggested using Mr. Trump’s abuses of power as bargaining chips in future negotiations. For too long, Democratic leaders have convinced their fellow elected officials that bland, nonconfrontational and incremental centrism is the way to win elections and make progress. In truth, it’s just the easiest way to protect the balance of power in Washington. But by trying to meet a corrupt Republican Party halfway, instead of taking clear stands for what’s right, they have failed to define the party and failed to protect their constituents. We see the same approach on impeachment: As a way to delay making a decision, Democratic leaders have insisted on waiting for the special counsel, Robert Mueller, to deliver his report. But now the investigation is at risk, because Mr. Whitaker could prevent the special counsel’s team from reaching a just conclusion or even releasing its findings to the public. The current, Republican-led Congress could have already taken action to shield Mr. Mueller or to put Mr. Trump in check. It still can. If it does not, House Democrats must prepare subpoenas, to be issued as soon as they take over, to ensure that the public learns the truth uncovered by the special counsel, and call on his team to testify under oath in public hearings. Should the establishment refuse to give up conventional orthodoxy and take up impeachment proceedings when the new Congress convenes, freshmen members — many of whom ran and won because of their promise to stand up to the president — must challenge the establishment and demand a say over the agenda. An overwhelming majority of people in this country elected them to hold this president accountable. There is no majority without them. That means no one has the votes for a leadership title without their support. At a moment when just one-third of all Americans trust their government to do what is right, winning a majority has to mean much more than just frustrating Republican legislative goals and scoring debating points. Democrats must stand up for the safety of the American people and our entire democratic system. We cannot allow this to be an argument about what Republicans will permit — it’s about demanding the truth and protecting the foundations of our free society. Anything less would mean abandoning the Constitution. Tom Steyer is the founder of Need to Impeach and NextGen America.
"They won the House by promising to hold Trump accountable." False. This sort of speaking for everyone crap is annoying and a bs rhetorical strategy.
Dunning Kruger effect in display. And you are projecting. I've stated recently in another thread: "Whatever is your field or experience, you have undoubtably had occasion when someone has spoken with conviction, stating a [view] that you know firsthand is absolutely wrong. Well, people who have made the thorough effort to read, view, and hear information gathered with integrity through traditional investigative process have the same reaction to those who so blithely say uninformed things like Trump is no different than any others, or that to initiate impeachment proceedings is political suicide." Or those who claim the only books on the topic are conspiracy theories. Is it your assertion that thoroughly researched and annoted books like Bob Woodward's Fear and Craig Unger's House of Trump, House of Putin are conspiracy theories? Books that have come entirely from intelligence reports, police reports, direct interviews, etc. adhering strictly to time honored standards for investigative journalism? Your argument that "There are books is not an argument" is a confession you have chosen not to undertake the due dilligence to support any informed position on the matter. The Mueller investigation has been pretty productive so far. https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2018/2/20/17031772/mueller-indictments-grand-jury . There is word that Mueller is in the process of writing his final report now. That you are so comfortable forming conclusions before that report is out is a testament to your disinterest in actual facts. Your desire and opinion, you are assured, carry more than enough weight to see you happily through.
Yeah, Lou. Stop employing dachuda's practice. Oh, wait. Lou is reading the writing on the wall. The indicators are actually there. Sorry Lou. It's only dachuda doing what he's accusing you of.
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My evidence is Trump saying the Mueller probe is a hoax and his new attorney general saying it's illegal. What's yours?
[Insightful Post] I don't want the Dems to impeach Trump. I want the Republicans to impeach Trump. I want the evidence to come out because I like most other people with a minimum IQ and a semblance of independence thinking remaining, knows he has done a lot of things that make Richard Nixon look like a girl scout. Trump is beyond corrupt, the Russian underworld has his nuts in a vice grip and he just calls them daddy. There is no way he can allow that to come out because if it does, even Republicans will be forced to move against him an no amount of crying about fake news or hoax probes will save him. Collusion is not the worst of it folks. Good day
I'm there with you but the Senate seems to be under a spell, tbh. If by some bullsht, Rosenstein doesn't have Trump's taxes or a form of concrete proof (I mean why is the investigation still going on), you have to remember that plausible deniability is the name of the game. It's within the realm of possibility that Trumpism reaches a real Devil's Triangle. I think there's a good chance there's a fight in the SCOTUS that a single boofin' vote could result in a Trump victory.
Investigate everything the Republican majority refused to investigate, or else made a mockery of in the process. Investigate the hell out of trump, his finances, his taxes, the Russians, everything. Insure that Mueller's investigation is brought to its conclusion unhindered by trump, the GOP, or anyone else. That's assuming that trump doesn't attempt to end it tomorrow night. If impeachable offenses arise in the course of doing all that, then do what must be done and impeach the compulsive liar.
The stuff from the Journal yesterday regarding Trump's payments pretty much validates everyone's worst fears about him. If Mueller can figure out a way to get to Kusher, Ivanka and Donald Jr maybe he can coax Trump into resignation. I just don't think impeachment is something we want to get into the habit of doing every twenty years, like elective wars.
