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Impeachable Offense?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by fchowd0311, Jun 3, 2020.

  1. jiggyfly

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    Yeah and?
     
  2. generalthade_03

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    Just a friendly reminder that’s all. Those 4 dead Americans won’t be forgotten.
     
  3. Andre0087

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    At the 25 sec mark authorities hitting foreign press is generally frowned upon.
     
  4. Andre0087

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    Does it even matter?

     
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    You can create a thread on it but how is that relevant to this thread?
     
  6. Os Trigonum

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    got it. thanks.
     
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  7. Astrodome

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    Exactly which part of post is false?
     
  8. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    I doubt you know their names.

    By the way, the only reason you state this is because they died during a Democratic administration. I doubt you care for those who served and died under Trump which are at their highest levels in years.
     
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    You can see the tear gas in the video lol. Geez, have you gone full right wing?
     
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    You are taking a horrible line to defend here. We know that in the 60s before the dogs and fire hoses were turned on the protesters they were warned. It is idiotic to try and use that to defend what happened there.
     
  11. Nook

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    Apparently anyone who criticizes Trump does.

    It's unhealthy to oppose or criticize the president. It's healthy to support him and vote for him. Don't ya know?
     
  13. Deckard

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    Seriously? That’s what you’ve got? Good grief.
     
  14. Invisible Fan

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    Someone at the swamp-drained EPA better update the CDC's website definition of "tear gas".

    At least there isn't the risk of the "all natural" variety being expired and breaking down into cyanide.

    Be thankful for that Thug Looters!

    The Semantics of 'Tear Gas' Versus 'Pepper Spray'
    Democratic politicians have criticized President Donald Trump for the use of “tear gas” to disperse protesters near the White House on June 1 before Trump walked to St. John’s Episcopal Church to pose for photos with a Bible. The president countered, “They didn’t use tear gas.”

    U.S. Park Police says officers used “pepper balls,” not “tear gas.” It’s true pepper balls, which contain a pepper spray-like irritant, have a different makeup than another chemical typical referred to as “tear gas” (and which USPP specifically says it didn’t use). But some sources consider pepper spray a type of tear gas, while others say both chemicals have the same effect on people.

    According to the Scientific American and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, pepper spray is a type of “tear gas” or “riot control agent.”

    Dr. Ranit Mishori, senior medical adviser for Physicians for Human Rights and a Georgetown University professor of family medicine, told us in an email: “Tear gas and pepper spray both belong to a class of crowd-control weapons known as chemical irritants.” The chemical makeup is different, but the impact on people is similar. “During a protest, it is impossible to tell what chemical is being used as the clinical manifestations are the same.”

    Trump’s reelection campaign has claimed the media was “falsely reporting” that U.S. Park Police used “tear gas,” and in a Fox News Radio interview on June 3, Trump said the stories about clearing out the protesters with “tear gas” were “fake. They didn’t use tear gas. They didn’t use. They moved them out.”

    Trump didn’t mention the “pepper balls.” Both chemical irritants cause, according to Mishori, “sometimes severe irritation to mucous membranes (e.g eyes, mouth, nasal passages, lungs), causing people to experience burning sensations on the skin and in the eyes, tearing, coughing, sneezing, difficulty breathing, nausea, vomiting, disorientation.”

    ...

    There are many unanswered questions about the events. We’ll focus on the disagreement over whether “tear gas” was used, as many media outlets that covered the incident reported.

    Chemical Irritants
    In Monahan’s statement, he said: “No tear gas was used by USPP officers or other assisting law enforcement partners to close the area at Lafayette Park.” After a reporter with Washington, D.C.’s WUSA9 TV reported on the canisters he said he picked up off the street after they were launched on June 1, USPP updated its statement to say it and “and other assisting law enforcement partners” didn’t use those “OC Skat Shells,” either. Such shells contain Oleoresin Capsicum – an irritant derived from pepper plants.

    But Monahan said USPP did use “smoke canisters and pepper balls.” USPP spokesman Sgt. Eduardo Delgado told us: “We did not use CS or chlorobenzalmalononitrile, commonly referred to as ‘tear gas’ which is often used as a non-lethal option in law enforcement. I am unaware of the brand of pepperball used.”

    Thomas Kearney, associate dean and professor in the Department of Clinical Pharmacy at the University of California San Francisco and co-author of a 2014 study on pepper spray injuries, told us he didn’t have knowledge about these particular “pepper ball” devices, but that the USPP “was probably referring to an OC containing lacrimator. Oleoresin Capsicum (OC) is the active ingredient of peppers and activates the TRPV1 pain receptor. Whereas CS & CN have different receptors and were more toxic,” he said in an email, referring to chloroacetophenone.

    He said he believed the terms were used “interchangeably- tear gas vs lacrimator.” A “lacrimator,” of course, is a substance that produces tears, and both CS and OC do that.

    In a November 2018 article, titled “How Tear Gas Works: A Rundown of the Chemicals Used on Crowds,” the Scientific American said tear gas agents “can be classified into two broad categories” based on the pain receptors they activate. CS, the chemical Delgado said USPP didn’t use, is the first category of “TRPA1-activating agents,” which also include “CR gas (dibenzoxazepine) and CN gas (chloroacetophenone, also used in bear spray),” Scientific American said.

    “The second category of tear gas agents are pepper sprays and activate the TRPV1 pain receptor,” the article said. “These are mostly derived from capsaicin, the spice compound in chili peppers. There are two compounds in common use in this category: OC gas, a concentrated solution of natural capsaicin, and PAVA, a mix of synthetic capsaicin also used by U.S. Customs and Border Protection.”

    Dr. Rohini Haar, an emergency physician, epidemiology lecturer and research fellow at the Human Rights Center at the University of California Berkeley’s School of Law, echoed Kearney’s comment that the pepper sprays aren’t as...

     

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