If Bolton testimony is blocked, our democracy has ended.

You realize that a couple of republican senators have basically agreed that what the “Dems” say happened actually did happen but they don’t feel it rises to the level of impeachment, right?

It is obvious what Trump did and why he did it. There have been multiple witnesses that have attested to it and several that aren’t being allowed or refused to testify. Bolton’s book confirms what the “Dems” are saying. The problem with getting iron clad documentary proof is that Trump is blocking all attempts to do so.

Arguing that Trump didn’t do it or that there is no evidence for it is either disingenuous or is born out of plain ignorance. And at this point is getting embarrassing.

 

Trump was even quoted as such in Davos.

 

Every single witness the Dems subpoenaed got to testify (Bolton's subpoena was removed). It was Trump who got to call zero witnesses.

Trump can ignore Congress, he can't ignore the courts. The same goes for you and me if we are on trial. Only the judicial branch has the authority to compel testimony. The Dems chose not to go to court (because they would of lost).

 

Article with all the people subpoenaed...

All of the people who have been subpoenaed so far in House Democrats' impeachment inquiry
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ent-trump-who-has-been-subpoenaed/3912226002/

Of that list of nine, how many appeared? Two (Yovanovitch and Sondland)?

And trump himself?

Trump’s fight against subpoenas reaches Supreme Court
https://www.rollcall.com/news/whitehouse/trumps-fight-subpoenas-reaches-supreme-court

Mueller Explains Why He Didn’t Subpoena Trump

https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...r-explains-why-he-didnt-subpoena-donald-trump

trump instead was able to present a written statement, with most of the questions left unanswered.

 

Wow... this is the embarrassing part I was talking about. How can you say all the witnesses that they called got to testify when they subpoenaed kupperman and he sued them. Then Bolton told them he would do the same.

The fact that you don’t think the executive branch has to obey lawful subpoenas from the legislative branch shows me that you aren’t being sincere or you simply don’t know what you are talking about. The judicial branch shouldn’t have to get involved. But of course Trump’s entire strategy in life is to take everything to court to get what he wants, so of course that’s what he wants to do. And the democrats most certainly wouldn’t have lost.

And all of this ignores the point that Trump tried to extort a foreign country to announce investigations into a political rival. Argue the process all you want but that has been shown to be true and all but two republican senators have chosen to do nothing about it.

 

Because They dropped those subpoenas..... this really isn't hard. The house said they don't want to contest ( they would of lost)

They have to obey a lawful subpoena if the judicial branch saws so. That's literally how it works for everyone in the country. You seem to think that Congress can demand anything from the Executive branch (or anyone) and the executive branch as no way to challenge. In the real world, everyone can challenge any summons from anyone and the courts decide on that challenge.

Oh the Biden's are obviously guilty as hell. Thus why hes getting destroyed in the polls recently. Wanting to know the extent of that corruption is reasonable. BTW, since this seems to be such a big concern for you, where are you on the Obama administration illegally wiretapping Trumps campaign and an innocent man?

 

Bidens are guilty of what? Obama administration didn't wiretap anyone legally or illegally.

 

Ok I’m done with this. I don’t want to argue about something that is so obvious.

And you really brought up Obama? Wow. You guys lost the 2008 and 2012 elections, get over it. (Am I doing this right?)

 

They should all be tried as traitors.

DD

 

How many times can we say

Don't be a stupid person.

DD

 

Thank you CNN.

 

Pot meet kettle.

 

the thing I love most about Clutchfans is your substantive contributions.

 

We all know, you keep saying it.

 

I am talking about facts. I wish I could say the same for CNN.

 

But don’t you see the disconnect when you say what did Biden do wrong and Trump did do wrong? How about we agree they both did wrong?

 

If they both did the same thing they would both have been wrong. Biden may well have done something wrong.

I haven't seen it presented.

I can clearly state what Trump did wrong. Trump tied congfessinally approved funds being release for an exchange from Ukraine in a way to help him personally.

I didn't see that Biden did that. If he did, then point it out and I will jump on board in labeling Biden corrupt and holding him accountable.