[HOPE KEPT ALIVE] The Impeachment Trial of Donald John Trump

Stick to the selective out of context leaking, push it to censure, if they believed it mattered beyond there, wait for the subpoenas to play out, and don't trap themselves into the impeachment course until they had something that could play with those outside their bubble.

 

A more fitting place couldn't exist for senator cruz to lay out his plan... fox & friends. I guess Barney's Playhouse was already booked...

 

If you are plugged into the progressive caucus you know this wouldn’t fly. They were just about ready to turn hard on Pelosi for being weak pushing against Trump and using their power. It would have been politically untenable from the left to look political and like a weak moderate in response to something this blatant.

I think many don’t really realize that the left has a base voter too. That base has a need now to feel like their voice matters and wants to fight for what they see as a moment of crisis.

 

LMFAO

 

This guy literally took to the stage at the nomination and told the crowd and voter to basically vote for Hillary. We all know he would vote all day every day to make Pence president if he could get away with it politically. The man is a joke and debases himself every time he speaks.

 

Nope, they STOOD up for integrity and honor.

DD

 

Morally? Really? Lmao.

 

Trump is setting PRs in the amount of tweeting he has done leading into the impeachment. Any guesses how this ends if Pelosi keeps the House investigating (Bolton, Parnas, Rudy G, Tricky Micky) until the Senate promises to hold a real trial.

Pelosi should hold out for all of the witnesses to testify, including the Criminal in Chief.

You never know the House might add articles of impeachment if the Senate drags their feet long enough. This Sh*t Show may never end.

 

That's not altogether true.

During Watergate , Nixon did the same invoking executive privilege and the House took it to the courts and eventually the SCOTUS …. Nixon was eventually forced to comply.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_privilege#United_States_v._Nixon




The Dems dropped the ball on this particular charge not getting the courts involved.

 

It took 8 months to even get an appeals court ruling on Don McGahn... 8 months. To get Mulvaney and Bolton to testify it would have easily been 2021 before SCOTUS would be ruling on those cases.

Do you honestly mean to tell me after how over the top critical you’ve been the past few days that you wouldn’t have been complaining about the Dems stretching impeachment out into an election had they gone this route?

Also you had public statements by people like Mulvaney and Guilianni as well as the ability to have Chief Justice Roberts preside over the trial to make rulings on subpoenas on the spot.

The House acts as a prosecutor. The Senate acts as the trial jury. Prosecutors charge a crime when they have enough evidence to make a case. Making this statement shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the impeachment process.

 

Different time, different court.

 

If they don't send it to the Senate …. what's the point of it all ? Have they done their duty by impeaching but failing to follow thru and seek a removal (however unlikely)? What were you telling me last week - They have to do their constitutional duty!

Moral victory or not …. Trump's still POTUS and would be the first impeached president to seek re-election. Is this nothing more than Nancy putting a nasty stain on Trump in hopes it affects his re-election ?!

This just has the appearance of playing games …. **** or get off the pot.



I don't know - I don't see her angle here but find it hard to underestimate Nancy …. she's good at politics , like her or not.

Could she be planning to hold them beyond the election , should Trump win and the Senate flip in 2021 ….

 

Add the fraud with the charity.

DD

 

Mildly entertaining and I hope overwhelmingly passive-aggressive enough to pass the @LosPollosHermanos Passive-Aggressive Threshold Test™ :

https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2019/12/19/pelosi-turns-impeachment-circus-even-comedy/

Pelosi turns impeachment circus into even more of a comedy
Jazz ShawPosted at 8:01 am on December 19, 2019

Ed suggested this maneuver was on the way yesterday and now it appears that Speaker Pelosi has decided on the lame explanation the Democrats will hang their hats on. In order to attempt to give Chuck Schumer some “leverage” in the impeachment trial, the Speaker may refuse to send the articles of impeachment to the upper chamber, dragging all of this nonsense out even further. (Associated Press)

When I turned on CNN this morning, the anchors were desperately trying to explain why the Constitution doesn’t demand the Speaker send the articles of impeachment to the Senate. That’s technically true, but the Constitution doesn’t really “demand” much of anything, other than requiring the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court to preside when the President is on trial.

As far as the responsibilities of the House go, Article I Section 2 simply says, “The House of Representatives shall choose their speaker and other officers; and shall have the sole power of impeachment.”

The Founding Fathers didn’t provide all that much more in terms of instructions for the Senate. Article I Section 3 reads, “The Senate shall have the sole power to try all impeachments. When sitting for that purpose, they shall be on oath or affirmation. When the President of the United States is tried, the Chief Justice shall preside: And no person shall be convicted without the concurrence of two thirds of the members present.”

At no point does the Constitution even mention that there have to be “articles” delivered to the Senate. All of those details aren’t even technically laws. They are found in the rules each chamber establishes for themselves. You can read the Senate rules for impeachment here. The technicality Pelosi is relying on is the caveat in Section I about impeachment managers. It reads, “whensoever the Senate shall receive notice from the House of Representatives that managers are appointed on their part to conduct an impeachment against any person and are directed to carry articles of impeachment to the Senate, the Secretary of the Senate shall immediately inform the House of Representatives that the Senate is ready to receive the managers for the purpose of exhibiting such articles of impeachment, agreeably to such notice.”

The clear implication is that it is the duty of the House to dispatch the managers once the impeachment vote is concluded. But if they drag their feet too long for political purposes, Article I of the Constitution informs us of another important point. “Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings.” The Senate can either modify their rules or if push comes to shove, ignore them and get on with business.

But these are still all hypothetical arguments at this point. Who really benefits by delaying the process? I suppose some of the Democrats might be operating on the theory that the longer they can keep impeachment in the news, the worse it is for Trump. But as we’ve been seeing for the past couple of weeks, the public has largely grown tired of this show and impeachment is growing less and less popular by the week.

Further, there are some Senators currently running for President who probably don’t want to be tied down in Washington to take care of this trial when they’d rather be scrounging for votes in Iowa and New Hampshire. This looks more like a case of shooting themselves in the foot than anything else.

What should be obvious to all at this point is that the Democrats aren’t serious about this and haven’t been from the beginning. All the cries about how impeachment was imperative and “we must act now” go out the window when the Speaker decides to just slam the brakes on everything until they can try to rig the trial in the Senate the way they did in the House. And that’s simply not going to happen on Cocaine Mitch’s watch.

Meanwhile, Schumer will try to “drive a wedge” between Republicans, or at least that’s his current strategy. Good luck with that, Chuck. Let us know how it works out for you. The clown car is fully gassed up and ready to go.

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that's certainly a creative take!!