Historic North Korea/South Korea Meeting - Trump Peace Prize?

Some of the libs on here are sad sad people.

 

And some are happy joyful people. Others are kind of in the middle. Then there are those liberals that have the normal range of happy sometimes and sad other times.

I love D&D!

 

Yet another Trump victory.

Liberals are probably mad that the prisoners were released! Have we reached peak liberal frustration?

 

I am extremely happy for the families of the detainees.

Thank you to Trump, Pompei, my left nut, Rodman, or Kim's change of heart, etc.; whoever/whatever orchestrated this. Great news.

 

Lmao. True.

 

Good job to the current administration. Darn near deserves it's own thread similar to the Schneiderman news.

 

If anyone here is interested in an intelligent article about the impact of trump tossing the Iran deal in the dumpster, while negotiating with NK about getting rid of their nuclear weapons program, here you are:

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...far-from-the-art-of-the-deal?xid=twittershare

Tearing Up Iran Nuke Deal While Negotiating With North Korea Is Far From 'The Art Of The Deal'

The move showcased the fact that America does not stick to its word when it comes to its own international nuclear proliferation agreements.

For a president who claims to be the world's greatest of deal-maker and even has a best-selling book named Art of The Deal, yesterday's move to unilaterally rip-up the Iranian nuclear deal just as the administration is entering into high-stakes negotiations with North Korea on their nuclear program is the height of stupidity. It drastically weakens America's hand at the negotiating table with Pyongyang, and above all else, it shows that passion and long-standing grudges supersede logic and responsible foreign policy decision making within the executive branch's newly remodeled foreign policy apparatus. I really want someone to explain to me how doing this now isn't bafflingly irresponsible. In fact, let's put all opinions on the Iranian nuclear deal aside. Let's say you believe that the U.S. should pull out of the deal. Fine. But how does doing it right now, weeks away from the Kim-Trump summit, make any sense at all and can't be deemed overtly reckless? Why not just do it in six months from now, after a North Korean deal is signed, should one come to pass at all. How can the Trump administration really expect the Kim regime to hand over its only major bargaining chip and insurance policy as to its survival, one that it has spent tremendous resources on and has taken years to develop, based on promises made by the United States? It's bad enough that the Kim regime is highly cognizant of what happened to Libyan strongman Muammar Gadaffi after he played ball with the United States and ended his nuclear weapons program, one which was far less mature than North Korea's. Now it has been brilliantly showcased that a deal inked by the U.S., backed by the international community no less, and one that Iran has abided by even by the Pentagon's top civilian and uniformed officials own evaluations, can be torn up on a whim by this presidency or the next.

This reality is especially problematic for the side giving up major capabilities as once the weapons, their manufacturing and support infrastructure, the delivery systems they are to be mated with, and other elements of a nuclear weapons program are gone, bringing them back becomes a very expensive and time-consuming task. North Korea in particular, which the White House is demanding immediately denuclearize, will now have to make a decision to do so knowing full well that even after they have complied, the benefits of doing so can evaporate in an instant. This wouldn't be such a big deal if that means they get all their capabilities back immediately, but that isn't how it works.

North Korea can and likely will use the White House's decision to rip-up the Iran nuclear deal as a reason to stand firm on certain aspects of a proposed denuclearization agreement during negotiations. They can also use it to play to the international community, referencing it as an example of how Washington is prodding them to do something totally illogical and even suicidal. They can then underline how a much slower denuclearization process—one that may not include giving up their current arsenal for years or even decades, if ever, is the only acceptable compromise.

In addition, if the U.S. walks away from the table because Pyongyang is unwilling to simply hand over their prized weapons immediately in what would already be a phenomenal capitulatory act, North Korea will simply say doing so results in no actual guarantee that the terms agreed upon will remain in play as promised. The international community, especially Russia and China who are closely involved with North Korea, are now unlikely to disagree with such a conclusion.

So once again, even if you think the Iran nuclear deal should be torn up, why do it at this incredibly strategic moment, a time in which we are dealing with disarming another rogue regime that actually has verified nuclear capabilities and the delivery systems that could potentially convey warheads over long ranges?

................................................... (Check the link for the rest of the excellent article)

The cold hard truth is that Iran is far less of a threat to the United States than North Korea, especially considering its current largely dormant nuclear status. And what's most important is that the single element that is needed in order to have any possibility of reaching some sort of a deal with North Korea is trust that such an agreement will be executed as promised.
Considering trust between Washington and Pyongyang is already a very scarce commodity, literally showing the North Koreans that America's word means nothing and its willingness to stick to its agreements can drastically morph due to a change in direction of political winds gives the Kim regime every reason to give up far less than it would otherwise, and especially less than what the Trump administration is asking of them.

In other words, if the idea of Kim just handing over his nuclear arsenal and destroying his nuclear and missile programs was far-fetched on May 7th, 2018, it is had turned into all but a wide-eyed fantasy following Trump's announcement the next day.

Contact the author: Tyler@thedrive.com

 

Exactly which part of the negotiations that freed these prisoners pisses you off the most?

 

Agreeing with that article while being glad that the prisoners are freed aren’t exclusive positions.

 

Where did I mention being "pissed off" about the release of the prisoners? I hope that any prisoners being held by NK from this or any other country are released, like yesterday. Read the article. It explains extremely well how trump's dumping of the Iran deal, despite the ardent objections of our allies and friends, as well as a host of prominent people in the States, was an extremely bad move that will impact the negotiations with North Korea and many others who do not wish us well.

Stop making assumptions, Astrodome. It isn't a good look for you.

 

The article calls the timing stupid but I don't see the problem with the timing especially when these prisoners being freed a day later.

 

You couldn't have read the entire article. It addresses the broad impact of his decision. I posted a small part of it. See the "dots" in the middle? I posted a little note there to explain that plenty more is worth reading.

 

The common thread that binds Astrodome, Kanye West and DJ Trump together is that

they're proud non-readers​

 

I honestly believe that by the rules that credit is given, Trump deserves some credit for the release of the Americans. Nice job Trump.

 

I think we should wait until Trump comes out of the meeting before giving him awards.

As for all the people giving him credit, you have to think this has more to do with N Korea wanting something that offering anything up

 

It might well have more to do with that, but since he's sitting in the oval office, he gets some of the credit if we are going to be consistent.

 

You'd be surprised.

 

Credit for what exactly? North Korea has been seeking a meeting with a POTUS for 20 years. Now that Trump agrees he gets a peace prize for that?

If it were Obama, he'd be called naive. North Korea won't give up it's Nuke program without a withdrawal of US forces from the peninsula. If Trump agrees to that he is truly stupid.

Meanwhile, Trump just undid years of diplomacy to let Iran escape from the nuclear deal so it can now enrich Uranium, and Iran just launched a missile strike against Israel. Do you want to also be consistent and give him credit for that? Maybe we can give him the Nobel Prize for Idiocy