[Gammons] reporting Griffey to Astros trade talk happening

Sounds like a Drayton move to me, lots of flash...might sell tickets...don't see a lot of African American faces at MM.

Baseball wise I would rather see us spend the $ in other areas.

 

I disagree a little here....I think Griffey's upside far outweighs Bags. Its just that with Bags, you know you are getting a guy who is going to play hurt and produce every now and then....with Griffey, if you somehow get 120-130 games, you may get 40 HRs and 100+ rbis

 

Bags, 'every now and then'? The guy is a gamer, and still performs.

 

Whereas I think a Griffey deal would be really enticing and could potentially help our team tremendously, I have my doubts as we all do.

The reason I have my doubts, though, is this:
If Griffey stays healthy, he would help our team this year ALOT. We'd get another lefty, a true CF, and the some of the power we lost with the departures of Kent and Beltran.

BUT, why would a division rival give us all of those things? Especially considering that the Reds are on the cusp of becoming a really good team? They obviously don't think he'll be THAT effective, which is causing my concern.

 

And with Bagwell, you always got 100% effort, even with a torn shoulder.

With Griffey . . . you don't.

Also "If he stays healthy" - the Reds have been saying this for years now - if he was going to stay healthy, he would've done it by now. At this point in his career - 110-120 games IS staying healthy.

 

Put Bagwell's entire career against Iffey's, and I take Bagwell.

Every. Time.

 

Their offensive numbers are eerily very very similiar. But Griffey, when healthy, was definitely the better and more important defender.

If both never played another game, I'd probably take Griffey.

 

I would take James Earl Jones if it brought some color to this team.

 

If he had game like he's got pipes I'd grab him in a New York minute.

Of course the point is well taken as this team reminds me of Chicago's southsiders -- pale hose.

 

Uhh, James Earl Jones went blind taking a high fast one to the eyes back in the day. he knew "George" though ( or Babe Ruth as we know him). Now he just chills out his house with his dog, hercules.

 

Don't get yourself into a pickle now

 

Dead as a doornail smalls...

 

You're comparing apples to oranges. Of course an OF defender will be "more productive" defensively. But, in his prime, Bagwell had no equal defensively. Remember all those 3-6-3 double plays?

 

had no equal?

JT Snow was damn good.

 

As a matrix of O & D.

 

Snow might be better than Bagwell, but wasn't he a couple years after Bagwell's prime?

No kidding. One of the best all-time. Too bad the shoulder injury cut him short--it would have been great to have 8 to 10 years of that kind of dominance instead of only 6.

 

eh, I don't know about that. He made alot of plays look more difficult then they should be because he was so short for a 1b.

 

The 3-6-3 double plays weren't nearly as impressive as the way he would charge a bunt and throw a guy out at 3rd

 

eh, I don't know about that either. He made alot of difficult plays look easy because he was such a great defensive first baseman.

 

I think you'd be hard pressed to find a majority of people who think Bagwell was the same level above average defensively for his position as Griffey was for his. Then, given that a great defensive centerfielder/outfielder is more important, it swings more towards Griffey.

Bagwell made great plays, for sure, but there were always at least 2 or 3 (or more) other first baseman in the league who would have made the same plays, and more.

Griffey made plays that it seemed no one else in baseball at the time made. And even since, you could only argue that Andrew Jones has the same type of defensive presence, though Beltran is reaching that level.